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NFPA 13, Section 8.15.8.1.1 exempts sprinkler coverage in bathrooms that do not exceed 55 square feet and have walls and ceilings of noncombustible or limited-combustible materials with a 15-minute thermal barrier rating, to include the walls and ceiling behind the tub/shower.
My question is - would a plastic shower assembly that has been tested in accordance with ASTM E162 and is classified as a Class II or Class B material be capable of providing the 15-minute thermal barrier alone? Or, would a separate material still be needed behind the tub/shower assembly? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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There always seems to be controversy about residential sprinklers in the garage.
I recently came across a section in the 2018 IRC under Section 309.5 and it states that private garages shall be protected by fire sprinklers (must be residential or quick response, designed to 0.05 gpm/sqft density) where the exterior wall has been designed based on Table 302.1(2) Note A. This table addresses minimum fire resistance ratings for exterior walls. Note (a) allows fire separation distance for non-rated exterior walls and projections to be reduced to 0-feet, unlimited openings and penetrations, with a setback, where residential subdivisions are all sprinklered. While looking at that table, I am not sure how to verify on the sprinkler plans if the garage meets that design method. I have started asking the contractor to add a note on the plans regarding the design method and if they use this table and note to design the wall then sprinklers are required in the garage. How would you interpret this section for compliance? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe We have a military project (UFC 3-600-01 and NFPA 101 criteria) with 1/2-hour fire-resistance-rated fire barriers between each sleeping unit.
Each 1/2-hour wall consists of gypsum on each side of a metal-studded wall. The gypsum runs within about an inch of the floor in each room (not touching the floor, intentionally, to avoid soaking up moisture/water) where it has metal stud on the backside. Is firestop required along the base of the gypsum to maintain the 1/2-hour rating? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe NFPA 72, 2016 Edition uses the phrase "2-hour fire-rated construction" in a few places; what does this refer to?
It's confusing to me since a variety of elements within the building could be 2-hour rated. For example, NFPA 72-2016 Section 24.3.13.7 states: "Two-way in-building wired emergency communication systems shall have a pathway survivability of Level 2 or Level 3. Exception: Level 1 shall be permitted where the building is less than 2-hour fire-rated construction." Buildings are not designated with a fire-rating, elements are. How do you interpret this? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Do large LED screens in auditorium/lecture hall setting need to achieve particular flame spread/smoke development performance?
Are these considered part of the wall interior finish? Thanks in advance. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe We have a project with a comment from the AHJ stating that the dryer vent cannot terminate to the exterior condominium wall, which is the egress wall for the condominium exit exterior breezeway on that floor.
We're under NFPA 101 (regarding Section 30-3.6.3 for Unprotected Openings). Is a duct penetration considered an unprotected opening? Dry vents cannot have fire/smoke dampers, so can it just be a metal duct? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe We are designing a clean agent system for electrical rooms located within a high-rise building. We are proposing having dedicated clean agent releasing control panels for the electrical rooms, and a separate building Fire Alarm Control Panel.
Is it mandatory to connect fire/smoke dampers (and other shutdown devices) in the electrical room with the clean agent releasing panel, or can these be connected to the building fire alarm system? Thanks in advance. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe We are working on a project where a feed main is running through an unsprinklered space to get to a sprinklered area. I've heard that sprinkler pipe needs to be protected by sprinklers so we are trying to figure out if this is an actual requirement or not.
We are talking about putting uprights on the feed main in the unsprinklered area to protect the pipe but I can't find anything in NFPA 13 that actually requires the pipe to be protected. Does anyone know if this is a requirement or not? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Do liquid nitrogen storage rooms need to be fire-resistance rated?
According to NFPA 55 (2016 Edition) Section 6.4.4, gas storage rooms need to be 1-hour fire rated, but it just seems odd since nitrogen can be used as an extinguishing agent. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I was looking through the International Building Code and have not found a requirement for a fire sprinkler riser room to be enclosed by a fire-rated wall.
Are there any requirements other than clearances to service the equipment for this room? Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I have a question about protection of sprinklers in windows specifically for a connection of a basement parking garage and a first level mall commercial space. NFPA 101 accepts that there is a connection between both occupancies, but there must be compartmentalization of 3-hours without automatic sprinklers and 2-hours with automatic sprinklers. In this case, we have an escalator from the basement up to level 1, as shown below:  Can we consider this to be compartmentalized with glass and sprinklers on both sides of the glass? Do the access doors have to be 1-1/2 hour, our could they not have any fire resistance if I have sprinklers on both sides? This project is under NFPA 101 (specifically Table 6.1.14.4.1 for separation between occupancies), NFPA 5000, and NFPA 13 (9.3.5/19.4.3 for sprinkler protection of windows). Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I have a double fire wall (two masonry walls next to each other with small air gap in-between). I need to have a door in each wall.
The doors would have to swing opposite directions, I think, which means a double Firewall could not be used in an egress condition where doors both have to open in the direction of travel to the exit. It sounds like I need a tied or cantilevered Firewall instead of a double Firewall. Is this correct, or are there any other approaches to a door within a double Firewall? Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe We have a project where the general contractor is stating that the vertical penetration in the stairwell landing, where the standpipes are located, need to be sealed.
They are not asking for it to be a fire-rated seal, but they say some sort of seal will be required. I know on past projects this typically was never a requirement. I have searched NFPA and the IBC with no luck on finding something that would insinuate that no seal is required for the vertical standpipes openings within the rated stair. Is a seal required for these stair landing penetrations? Any input is much appreciated. Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I'm an AHJ and I know many plan reviewers and inspectors in my area are new to the trade.
Does anyone have recommendation(s) for good plan review checklists or tools for plan review that would be helpful to rookie and intermediate-level plan reviewers? Thanks in advance. Submitted anonymously and posted for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe A building owner has an existing mixed-use building which has approximately 6,000 sqft of storage space (S-1 Occupancy) and offices (larger than 6,000 sqft). The offices and storage appear to have a rated separation (steel studs, 2x gypsum on at least one side of the wall) in-between them.
The owner is looking to store new product in the warehouse, but would like for it to be sprinkler protected. This building, if new, would be under the 2015 International Building Code. As the building currently stands, it is a code-compliant mixed-use separated, non-sprinklered occupancy. Can the owner voluntarily provide a sprinkler system above code, but only for the warehouse portion? If so, does anything with the fire barrier between the warehouse and office need to change? As this is only a voluntary improvement to the property and life safety systems, I could see it being an alternative design method and seek approval from the AHJ under IBC Section 104.11 as a partially-protected building - I just wasn't sure if it even needed to come to that. Would be interested in other opinions, thank you in advance! Submitted anonymously and posted for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe An existing F1 occupancy with no high-piled storage is getting an addition, resulting in the total square footage for the entire F-1 area (all open) being over 50,000 ft sq, thus requiring smoke and heat vents per the 2012 IBC and IFC.
The question was asked if smoke and heat vents can just be added to the new addition and install a draft curtain to separate the existing from new, so smoke and heat vents will not be required in the existing space. My question is, would a draft curtain be sufficient for creating a divided area in this regard? There is no true definition of a divided area in either the building or fire codes. I wouldn’t think it would necessarily need to have a fire barrier or partition. I would assume a properly sized trap curtain would be sufficient? Does anybody have any experience with this unique type of issue, or have any comments or suggestions? Submitted anonymously and posted for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Does anyone have much experience with fire pins/plugs as part of a fire door?
I came across some during a project to replace fire doors. There's a male and female component but ultimately a pin/plug is released at high temperature and goes into a hole to secure a pair of fire rated double doors. My question is: are the pins just a substitute for a lower latch or is there some special code or regulatory driver for them? Submitted anonymously and posted for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I recently investigated some fire doors at one of our older buildings and saw they have an FM Approved label on them instead of a common UL Listing. I'm used to the UL listing label which clearly states the fire rating in minutes or hours. The FM label I saw gives some outdated ASTM standards and references a CABO report but doesn't clearly state the fire rating.
Does anyone have experience with the FM Approved fire door labels? Based on my research, FM stopped approving fire doors a while ago. Thanks in advance. Submitted anonymously and posted for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I am working on a project with male and female restrooms in separate structures located near a park. The structures are roughly 500 sqft. The structures must comply with NFPA 101 for means of egress. I am trying to figure out travel distance requirements.
What occupancy would you classify the restrooms as? And in turn what would be the maximum travel distance if there is only a single door? Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe This building is an H-1 occupancy. There is an area of refuge on the 4th floor. The shelter-in-place Class 3 area of refuge is protected from interior and exterior hazards. There are vertical openings through all 4 floors. The UFC is governing.
Based on this, do the stairwells need to be intertied directly to the shelter-in-place area of refuge for an exit enclosure that is a direct accessible means of egress (we are providing accessibility provisions)? Does the shelter-in-place area need to be a smoke enclosure as well as the interconnected stairwell system? Based on this will both the stairwell and the shelter-in-place need to be pressurized to meet design intent? Both exterior and interior air is hazardous and a scrubber would be needed to inject air for stairwell pressurization. Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I am dealing with a Military building. It is an H-1 occupancy. The building is currently 4 stories high.
This is not allowed per IBC based on means of egress. Has anyone made an argument based on UFC referring to NFPA 101 for means of egress related items to make an H-1 occupancy allowed to be more than 1 story? Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I am an architect and appreciate the information being shared here, very clear and helpful. We are working on an atrium and working in accordance the Closely-Spaced Sprinklers (for Atrium Enclosures).
In the details for the closely spaced sprinklers there is a horizontal distance of 4-12" from the glazing to the sprinkler - is there a separate vertical dimension that must be met? We have glass that is 11'-4" in an open/exposed ceiling that is 13'-5" high (at boundary of atrium). Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Could Fiberglass Reinforced Polymer materials be considered non-combustible? For this project it's intended to be used as an interior building material.
NFPA 130 & NFPA 101 definition of non-combustible material: 4.7 Non-combustible material A material that complies with any of the following shall be considered a noncombustible material [101:4.6.13.1].
Fiberglass Reinforced Polymer (FRP) materials can meet the following minimum standards for flammability:
Can this material be considered an equivalent to non-combustible material? While Fiberglass Reinforced Polymer (FRP) materials have an excellent fire resistance rating under ASTM and UL tests, it is not specifically classified as non-combustible under ASTM E136. Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Have a 4-story townhouse, sprinklered in accordance with 13R.
Is a sprinkler at the top of an elevator shaft an acceptable trade off for a 1-hour rating of the shaft (in lieu of a 2-hour rating)? NFPA 13R, 2013 Section 6.6.6 says sprinklers are not required in non-combustible elevator shafts in accordance with ANSI 17.1. The state is says they will not certify the elevator/does not require a certificate in a residential elevator, so there is no confirmation that the elevator code is upheld. If the sprinkler is an acceptable trade off (or if the sprinkler is elected to be installed in excess of the code requirements) is then a shunt trip and flow switch/heat detector required to shut off power in the event of a sprinkler activation? Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe We have a dormitory project where, on the first floor, and entry lobby at the front entrance connects directly into a main corridor that runs the length of the dormitory. On either end of the corridor are exterior exits. There are also exit enclosures from the two upper levels that discharge to the exterior on both ends of the building. This project is under NFPA 101-2018 and is fully-sprinklered.
NFPA 101-2018 7.1.3.1 and 28.3.6 state the following: 7.1.3 Separation of Means of Egress. 7.1.3.1 Exit Access Corridors. Corridors used as exit access and serving an area having an occupant load exceeding 30 shall be separated from other parts of the building by walls having not less than a 1-hour fire resistance rating in accordance with Section 8.3, unless otherwise permitted by one of the following: (1) This requirement shall not apply to existing buildings, provided that the occupancy classification does not change. (2) This requirement shall not apply where otherwise provided in Chapters 11 through 43. Because this is a new dormitory, Chapter 28 also applies: 28.3.6 Corridors. 28.3.6.1 Walls. 28.3.6.1.1 Exit access corridor walls shall comply with 28.3.6.1.2 or 28.3.6.1.3. 28.3.6.1.2 In buildings not complying with 28.3.6.1.3, exit access corridor walls shall consist of fire barriers in accordance with Section 8.3 that have not less than a 1-hour fire resistance rating. 28.3.6.1.3 In buildings protected throughout by an approved, supervised automatic sprinkler system in accordance with 28.3.5, corridor walls shall have a minimum 1∕2-hour fire resistance rating. Our question is - is the lobby, by code, considered part of the corridor (and therefore need to be rated)? Two ways of looking at this - one is that the code is strictly only discussing requirements for the corridor and not a lobby. The other way of looking at it is that the lobby is acting as the corridor when it serves as part of the exit access for the building. Normally a 1/2-hour rating wouldn't make all that much of a difference, but there's storefront in the lobby space between an adjacent office and the lobby which would have a cost impact to the project. Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe |
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