We are designing a residential building that will have a manual wet standpipe in a fully-sprinklered building. The building itself is less than 75-feet high.

I need to calculate the wet manual standpipe but would like to check my approach. 

Do I need to calculate the remote standpipe at the two most remote hose valves at 100 psi, 250 gpm each, plus one more hose valve closer to the source at 250 gpm all the way back from a supply at the fire truck?

​Thanks in advance for any feedback.

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I have a question regarding the need to provide electrical classification for a building using Class 1A flammable liquids.

For this building, 4 gallons could be out in use (located anywhere in the building). The MAQ is 10 gallons. I have discussed this with NFPA 30 committee, the manufacturer, and the AHJ (who is a knowledgeable FPE). They have all determined that even if the MAQ is not exceeded, electrical classification is required if a flammable/explosive mixture could be present.

The NFPA 30 staff directed me to a provision in NFPA 497, Section 5.5, that if the materials will not reach 25% of the lower flammable limit (LFL), this could be utilized to justify not providing classified electrical fixtures.

Does anyone know how to do this calculation, or know of firms that can be hired to do this?

I am an FPE and do not know how to perform it, and I have spoken with other FPE’s who also are not aware. The gentleman I spoke with at NFPA 30 agreed it would be by an industrial hygienist or a chemical engineer and not an FPE.

But does anyone know any that can be hired for a one-off calculation, or have a place where I could learn how to perform it myself (NFPA reference, SFPE article, course, etc.?).

Thank you!

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We have an existing building were the highest occupied floor is less than 30'-0 above fire vehicle access. This building is being renovated.

Part of the renovation involves the construction of a new building to be connect to the existing building. The new building is higher than 30'-0 above fire vehicle access. The exit stairwells in the new building need a standpipe system.

Does the existing building need a standpipe system since it is connected even though the existing building stairways and floors are not higher than 30'-0 above fire vehicle access?​

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We have a project where the general contractor is stating that the vertical penetration in the stairwell landing, where the standpipes are located, need to be sealed.

They are not asking for it to be a fire-rated seal, but they say some sort of seal will be required. I know on past projects this typically was never a requirement. I have searched NFPA and the IBC with no luck on finding something that would insinuate that no seal is required for the vertical standpipes openings within the rated stair.

Is a seal required for these stair landing penetrations?

Any input is much appreciated.

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Are there any drawbacks of testing a diesel-engine fire pump on a main header where other diesel pumps are connected to, instead of a test header?

This is happening in my plant because the test header is is large enough that it would require frequent throttling of test header discharge gate valves for each pump, which has started to wear out and not hold pressure.

Also, what is the minimum flow requirement for weekly diesel pump testing considering the test header doesn't hold? Do we need to run 0%, 100%, and 150% flow test each week?

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Can a split-case fire pump be used with a suction that is below negative 1.5 psi of pressure (below 1.0m)?

Would this be acceptable under NFPA 20?

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We have an account that failed the five year FDC hydrostatic test. The Fire Department Connection is a remote, freestanding FDC. The Fire Marshal is claiming that there is no leakage, however, will not give a pass or fail. 

NFPA 25 (2017) and others reference hydrostatic tests.

6.3.2.1  hydrostatic test 200 psi for 2 hrs or at 50 psi in excess of the maximum pressure where maximum pressure is in excess of 150 psi every five years. (manual standpipe systems and semi-automatic dry standpipe systems, including piping in the FDC)

Annex  6.3.2.1* that mentions a minimum leakage existing under test pressure.

Section 13.8.5 FDC five year hydrostatic testing shall be tested at 150 psi for 2 hrs. There is no mention of minimal leakage allowed.

What is this allowable leakage?

NFPA 24 (2010) Private Fire Mains & Their Appurtenances Section 10.10.2.2.1 requires 200 psi or 50 psi in excess of the system working pressure whichever is greater and maintain that pressure at +/-5 psi for 2 hrs.

Is that my allowable leakage, so that if we lose less than 5 psi or gain no more than 5 psi for 2-hours, that we pass? Wasn't sure if the existing 5-year hydrostatic for underground has leakage that is measured differently from an inside hydrostatic test.
 
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I understand that based on most Plumbing Code requirements that black steel pipe is not permitted on the upstream side of a backflow preventer. If pipe is provided between a flange and the backflow, it should be galvanized.

Do fittings, such as an elbow off the flange, need to also be galvanized?

I'm familiar with the Victaulic orange painted cast-iron grooved fittings (Firelock series) as well as ductile iron flanged fittings that seem to be commonly off of a stub-in flange, but I'm wondering if these need anything special like a painted or galvanized finish?

Thanks in advance - really appreciate the community and expertise here.

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As part of acceptance testing for a fire pump we test the installed pump net pressures at various flows (churn, 100%, 150%) and compare that against the factory certified curve for that specific fire pump. 

For these tests, what is the pass/fail threshold?

What would fail this test, and how far off could the installed pump be to fail this test?

As I understand it, the installed fire pump cannot differ from the factory certified curve more than the error in the measurement equipment (the allowed error in gauges, typically 1% of the gauge reading). I'm not sure if that's the proper way to go about it, but was curious if there's a better pass/fail mark I should be looking for with these tests.

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Can you explain what a wall hydrant is used for, and where they would typically be needed?

There are some in older office buildings here in Massachusetts where things freeze.

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Adding a new Fire Department Connection to an existing building with a 4-inch combination standpipe and 2-1/2 inch mains feeding each level. The standpipe is significantly farther from the new FDC location; however, the 2-1/2 inch feed main is located closer to the new location.

Is it acceptable to connect the 4" FDC pipe to the 2-1/2" main, or do we need to route the pipe back to the standpipe location?

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NFPA 110 (Standard for Emergency and Standby Power) Section 7.9.2 requires a fuel oil day tank be provided when the main tank is not close enough to the generator to provide sufficient suction head from the prime mover integral fuel oil pump. A day tank is also required if the engine manufacturer's fuel pump static head limits are exceeded when the main tank is at full fuel oil level.

Section 5.5.3 indicates minimum sizing requirements for the main tank, while other documents have maximum sizing allowances for the day tank.

​I cannot find minimum sizing requirements for the day tank in NFPA 110 or other codes and standards. Can someone point me in the correct direction?

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NFPA 13 states the following:

8.16.4.1.5 Water-filled piping shall be permitted to be installed in areas where the temperature is less than 40 deg F when heat loss calculations performed by a professional engineer verify that the system will not freeze.

For some reason I had always thought that Tyco or some other heat trace provider had a program available to perform these calculations. I feel there is a better way than breaking out my old heat transfer book. Our general consensus is that the risk is relatively high with these types of calculations.

I’m sure you been tasked with this before; what is the best approach to going about these calculations?

Some owners require these calculations to be performed to avoid dry-pipe systems in Florida, even though the location of the iso-thermal line would require dry-pipe systems - I feel this essentially puts all the liability on the engineer.

I'd be curious to see how others would normally approach this. In this case we would look to run calculations to justify that a wet-pipe system would be sufficient without any insulation or heat trace. Thanks in advance.

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I need to label some deflagration vents as "out-of-service" since they are not being maintained properly and are currently not needed from a code standpoint (as the use of the room has changed). We do not want to remove them as the room may be changed back one day depending on research needs.

Does anyone know if there is a code reference that points to the size of the letters or font type for an out-of-service-tag?

In this case a tag is not practical since it needs to go on a flat panel. I know there are such requirements for exit and "no exit" signs, but I'm not aware of any code guidance for out-of-service signs. Thanks in advance for any feedback.

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NFPA 13, 2016 Chapter 11 and Chapter 23 provide information on systems that were designed as a Pipe Schedule System (as defined in Section 3.4.9). Section 11.2.2 and 23.7 provide information regarding "Ordinary Hazard" pipe schedule systems, but the storage capabilities in NFPA 13 are based on specifically Ordinary Hazard Group 1 and Ordinary Hazard Group 2 (specifically referencing chapter 13 in this situation for Miscellaneous storage).

I am working in an existing building with an "Ordinary Hazard" pipe schedule system, what are the storage capabilities of the existing system (assuming it does not adequately calculate)?

I did try hydraulically calculating the system just to see if it would work, but there wasn't enough pressure for the existing pipe configuration. A few people I have talked to agreed to stick to OH1 storage capabilities without any upgrades, but I am looking for formal guidance if anyone knows of any.

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I have a question on the difference between Fire Pumps vs. Sprinkler Booster pumps test header connections.

In NFPA 20 (2007 Edition) they speak of a test header connection to verify fire pump capacity via either a 3-way or 5-way connection depending on pump capacity. I have a test header with a flow meter installed and I am aware that test header connection is required for a "FIRE PUMPS".

My question .. does this also apply to " Sprinkler Booster Pumps"? They are also under NFPA 20 but little mention is made.

Should a test header be installed at all?

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Have a project at a local grocery store that has an end cap kiosk with a Class 1 commercial kitchen hood. The kiosk is 6-foot wide by 8-foot long and has one means of egress out of the kiosk. The kiosk is used for cooking demonstrations and to hand out food samples to the customers.

​The predicaments we (AHJ, owner, designer of record, and contractor) are having is the location of the manual release station. There are no structural columns or architectural surfaces that are within the minimum distance of 10 feet or a maximum of 20 feet from the cooking surface to mount the manual release stations that are within the means of egress.

Any thoughts or suggestions on where to mount the manual release station?

Thanks in advance.

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We have a residential project using residential sidewall sprinklers, with a concern about potentially breaking the glass bulbs.

Are guards for residential sprinklers required to be listed? If so, what is the code basis for requiring the guards to be listed?

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A manufacturing facility's campus water supply is fed from a 125-foot tall open atmosphere water tank. A site fire pump is located 5 feet above grade and is flowing at its rated capacity of 35 psi at 1000 gpm with 18 psi loss in the total pipe network, what will the pressure be at the pump discharge if the discharge pipe is 4 inches in diameter?

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Have a four-story project that is under 2015 IBC and NFPA 101. NFPA 101, for fully-sprinklered buildings with accessible floor levels (floors 2-4 included) - designates the entire floor level as accessible and an area of refuge. Reference NFPA 101 7.2.12 and NFPA 72 24.10.

Along with that designation includes a requirement for a two-way communication system generally next to the elevator bank for the building. There's not much detail out of NFPA 101, and I'm finding very few people are familiar with these systems.

Who typically specifies and provides details/locations on these systems?

It is not tied into the fire alarm system - yet is related to life safety - so we're getting some feedback that these systems should be shown on fire alarm plans. However, the fire alarm subcontractors have nothing to do with these systems. Low voltage / specialty consultants are stating that the systems are code mandated and aren't looking to coordinate these locations with fire marshals and plan review.

It's not a cost item and no one is pointing fingers - but I am trying to understand going forward where these systems are typically shown on plans and who should be specifying them? 

Thanks in advance.

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Are initiation devices (smoke detectors, manual pull stations, duct detectors) required to have individual labels on them showing the device address?

The project in question is military and is also subject to UFC requirements.

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