13, 13R, 13D: Calculations and High Ceilings

I was reading through NFPA 13 (2016 ed.) and caught Section 8.10.2.2:
Residential Sprinklers shall not be permitted to be used on ceilings with slopes greater than 8 or 12 or ceiling heights greater than 24 feet unless specifically listed for this purpose.

This got me curious about how it affects NFPA 13R and 13D, checking into those I didn't see any restrictions where residential sprinklers stop being allowed at the ceiling height, however the maximum 24-ft ceiling was noted in NFPA 13D (2019) 10.2.1 and NFPA 13R (2019) 7.1.1.3.1 in regards to design sprinklers.

So am I correct in assuming that if you have a residence with a 24'-1" foot ceiling in the family room (say there's a loft second floor), that you now have to calculate and design the space per NFPA 13 rather than 13R or 13D (as that ceiling height is outside of the scope of 13R and 13D)?

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When are standard response sprinkler heads a better choice than quick or fast response heads (5mm vs. 3mm bulb)?

Are there applications where it would be preferable to have a slower response time?

As far as I know, quick and standard response heads cost the same, come with the same k-factors, and the same temperature ratings.

Why would the slower one be chosen? When would you choose a Tyco TY-B instead of a TY-FRB?

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Is there a minimum distance clearance required or recommended from the fire sprinkler and the top of a stacked washer dryer in small closet?

What is the reason for the clearance needed?

I heard that 4” is needed for the clearance rather than the standard 18” in a public area.

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Does the 'small room rule' apply to NFPA 13D sprinkler systems?

I could not find any mention of it in 13D. If 13D does not allow it, why not?

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Per NFPA 13D 2019 Edition Section 8.2.1.3, "Concealed Sprinklers shall be permitted to be installed in beams not greater than 4 in. (100mm) in depth."

Semi-recessed heads can be permitted to be installed in beams up to 14in.

Why do concealed sprinklers installed in beamed applications have a 4 inch limitation? 

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Where exactly does a hydraulic calculation need to end? 

When we run a hydrant flow test, there's a static/residual hydrant and a flow hydrant. I regularly run my hydraulic calculations from the building, through the service main, to a street main, and then up the tee'd branch that serves a hydrant so that my source point is exactly at the elevation of the static/residual hydrant. I do this so that I make sure to account for the proper elevation of the water supply.

Most other hydraulic calculations I see will end wherever the building's service main intersects with the street's supply. Is this correct? Wouldn't that place the source at an elevation lower than what the hydrant indicated is available?

Wondering what the proper way is that I should be precisely calculating systems. Thanks in advance.

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Why does a townhouse which is 4-story require an NFPA 13R system?

The IRC is specifically geared toward one-and two-family dwellings up to 3 stories, but the IBC allows 13D systems in R-3, R-4 condition 1 and townhouses (903.3.1.3).

Is there another prevailing code reference that overrules this allowance?

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I have an inspector who wants me to prove that calculating run or through tees is appropriate for 13 Residential systems.

I showed them that run tees are in 13D, he thinks they should be calc'd in 13? How do I prove something is not in a code?

Any help would be appreciated.

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Does the proximity to a residence and the number of windows make a difference in which system is used (NFPA 13 vs 13R vs 13D)?

​What are those requirements that make it change?

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Residential single-family dwelling is getting an NFPA 13D sprinkler system with a pump and water storage tank. 

Is the test line required to be routed to the exterior, or can it be run back to the water storage tank? I've seen it both ways but don't see an applicable code section.

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