What is the average life expectancy of a wet and dry fire sprinkler system?

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NFPA 22, 2018 Edition regarding filling requirement and duration - 

Section 4.2.1.4. states "The water supply shall be capable of filling the minimum required fire protection volume within the tank in a maximum of 8 hours" and at the same time Section 14.4.3 states "The tank shall be kept filled, and the water level shall never be more than 4 in. (102 mm) below the designated fire service level."

If I understand correctly, as soon as the water goes below 4-inches from the normal filled level in the tank (HHL), the makeup water supply should be starting to replenish and the pipe sizes should be provided in such a way that the tank can be filled within 8-hours.

In a fire, as the water is going down, the tank will always start full.

What is the case where the tank would be emptied out (except maintenance) and need to be refilled within 8-hours?

What if we store water in two tanks to allow maintenance - would we not need to meet this 8-hour requirement?

I'm unsure of how these two requirements work together. Appreciate any feedback.

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I have a job where there are two existing diesel fire pumps that serve an existing warehouse (2 million sq. ft +).

The building is surrounded by an existing 12" underground fire supply loop. The two diesel pumps serve the space.

According to the property manager the system operate as follows:
(1) Pressure is maintained at 160-175 psi.
(2) Below 160 psi the jockey pump turns on to maintain 160-175 psi.
(3) Fire Pump #1 turns on when pressure drops below 150 psi to maintain 175 PSI. (Fire Pump - Static: 165 PSI ; Residual: 134 PSI @ 2000 gpm).
(4) Fire Pump #2 turns on when pressure drops below 140 psi to maintain 175 PSI (Fire Pump - Static: 190 PSI; Residual: 174 PSI @ 2000 gpm).

The pumps are provided by a municipal supply and a back-up private lake dedicated for the fire service.

The pumps are in parallel, so you would add the flows. And to my knowledge the higher pressure would overtake the smaller pressure.

My question is, how do you determine how to calculate the system hydraulically?

If I only use fire pump #1 for water supply, it will not be an accurate representation on how the system operates. In this case it also is very difficult to get the system to work hydraulically off of one fire pump.

I appreciate any input!

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We have an outdoor wooden canopy overhanging over a building entrance with the following dimensions: 45'-6" x 13'-0". The canopy has an existing wet pipe sprinkler system utilizing water/glycol mix. The building is in an area where winter temperatures can go below 0 deg F (-18 deg C).

Given the new NFPA requirement of reduced glycol mix ratio and hence the existing sprinkler system is no longer compliant with NFPA and requires to be replaced.

My question is, is it feasible and compliant to have the wooden canopy treated with fire retardant NFPA 703 approved coating/painting and hence the canopy can be considered non-combustible or at least limited-combustible eliminating the requirement to install a sprinkler system under NFPA 13 section 9.2.3?

I appreciate your feedback. Thanks

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Working with a 10,500 square foot building that is primarily a wood shop (as the AHJ, fire official). In this building they basically saw cut raw lumber on a large gasoline powered (vented) saw mill inside of the building (this is an issue I question as well). This is a two-part question, at the least!

The occupants claim they are a E occupancy (based on the 2012 IBC/IFC) and that they fall under the 12,000 square feet for automatic fire sprinkler requirements in chapter 9.

I look at this as a woodworking facility over 2,500 square feet per 903.2.4.1, that would require automatic fire sprinklers.

The organization is not a school, but rather consider themselves as a vocational school that serves students working on their G.E.D. along with troubled students needing extra guidance, and they pay these students. They teach life/work skills and help with job placement.

I feel this would either fall under a B-Occupancy for training and skill development not within a school or academic program, or an F-1.

Thoughts on this part?

Next, even if we would call this an E-Occupancy, would sprinklers be required since it is under the 12,000 square feet? I would think yes because of section 903.2.4.1, however the organization says no because they believe they are an E.

​I know where I am leaning on this issue, but would welcome any other input. ​I am all about helping this organization out, but also need to take safety and property preservation into account. This place keeps me up at night with all of the students and hazards present.

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NFPA 72 requires a battery test be run including removal of the main power supply, waiting the full-length standby time, then activating the fire alarm system for the full alarm time. After the alarm time, the battery voltage is required to be tested.

What is the pass/fail mark for the battery voltage?

In theory, if the battery output still has 20.4 V, then the last appliance on a NAC circuit would still get a minimum of 16 V and everything still functions correctly. I just can't seem to find a code reference whether 20.4 V is the correct voltage to use (where a voltage reading below 20.4 V fails the battery). 

Thanks in advance.

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In an existing building utilizing a “booster pump” or unlisted fire pump for a standpipe or sprinkler system, is there a suggested annual flow test procedure?

I realize there is no manufacturer’s data (0%,100%,150% rated capacity) to compare the results against.

Should it be excluded from the annual flow test requirements, and just flowed during the 5 year roof top flow?

I would appreciate input as well as, what others in the industry are doing to address this fairly common scenario.

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In an NFPA 13R system does the FDC check valve need to be accessible?

In 13 it states it is required, but I can't find it in NFPA 13R. Section 6.11.4 talks about ball drip for check valve, but I do not see anything on accessible. I’m sure I’m missing some code path that references 13 possibly? Thanks.

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We have a bowling alley that has bowling lanes constructed of wood, with supporting solid-wood members underneath. The bottom of the solid-wood support members are about 1-ft above the top of any other obstructions at the bottom of this concealed space, leaving a total height of roughly 2-ft below the lanes. This whole bowling alley (30+ lanes) is being retrofitted with sprinklers.

Are sprinklers usually provided underneath the lanes for areas like this? 

If so, how do we address inspection and draining from these areas below the floor level?

Thanks in advance.

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I am a municipal fire inspector. We have a new high school, fully sprinklered, that has residential stoves in a classroom. These are protected with UL300A hoods.

Are these hoods required to be connected to the fire alarm?

Common sense would indicate that if there was a fire hot enough to release the UL300A system, that the building occupants could be in danger and the fire alarms should activate, however, I cannot find a code reference for this. The architect is saying the stoves are residential so only residential requirements apply.

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Is there a standard spacing for private fire hydrants?

No applicable code for this project, but looking for guidance in what would be common under NFPA 24, NFPA 1 / 101, and/or the IBC. Thanks in advance.

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A building owner has an existing mixed-use building which has approximately 6,000 sqft of storage space (S-1 Occupancy) and offices (larger than 6,000 sqft). The offices and storage appear to have a rated separation (steel studs, 2x gypsum on at least one side of the wall) in-between them.

The owner is looking to store new product in the warehouse, but would like for it to be sprinkler protected. This building, if new, would be under the 2015 International Building Code. 

As the building currently stands, it is a code-compliant mixed-use separated, non-sprinklered occupancy. 

Can the owner voluntarily provide a sprinkler system above code, but only for the warehouse portion?

If so, does anything with the fire barrier between the warehouse and office need to change?

As this is only a voluntary improvement to the property and life safety systems, I could see it being an alternative design method and seek approval from the AHJ under IBC Section 104.11 as a partially-protected building - I just wasn't sure if it even needed to come to that. Would be interested in other opinions, thank you in advance!

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I have a residential sprinkler calculation out of NFPA 13R 2016.

Do you need to calculate a minimum of 4 residential sprinklers within the dwelling unit?

I have a two-bedroom apartment unit and my most demanding area would be the two that are in the bedrooms and the two that are in the kitchen/living area.

Can I consider the kitchen/living area a compartment separate from the bedrooms and calculate only these two sprinklers?

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Would it be permitted by code to place a pre-action valve on top of a roof of a two-story building?

It would be protected from mechanical damage, and there's no regular man movement at the roof. The roof area is warm, but there would be no covering as it currently stands. I'm looking for code requirements pertaining to this situation that would allow or disallow such an arrangement.

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What is the residual pressure and flow require for both public and private fire hydrants?

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At what point does it become better to buy a plotter for the office? I'm a design outfit and only rarely send out drawings, but when I do they're pricey and I just bill it to the client out of a local print shop or the neighborhood Office Depot.

Any tips on what you made the decision to buy or not buy a plotter for your office, and any advice on models or brands to look into?

​Just curious, love the commentary on here and the wide range of opinions. Thanks in advance.

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We are working on an 8-unit, 4-story apartment building in the City of Chicago. It's an NFPA 13R system, with two units on each floor level. The entire building (all floor levels combined) is about 14,000 sqft.

Are floor-level control valves required?

Under NFPA 13R there doesn't appear to be a requirement for floor-level control valves like there is in an NFPA 13 system (NFPA 13-2016 8.2.4.3). Even still, in NFPA 13 still allows a single control valve and flow switch when the entire building is less than the system limits of 8.2.1 (52,000 sqft for a Light Hazard system). 

Chicago has a Chicago Fire Prevention Code that requires "each floor and level of a building" with a separate control valve (15-16-400), but this and several other sections within the Fire Prevention Code apply only to NFPA 13 systems, not 13R systems.

Might be a shot in the dark but was curious if anyone has ran into this before. Thanks in advance.

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Working on an elementary school fire sprinkler retrofit with an old kiln. I don't have any specific product information on the kiln itself. It's in a room thats about 8-ft x 8-ft with gypsum walls and acoustical ceiling tile.

What is an appropriate sprinkler temperature to use at the ceiling level?

Hoping someone has worked with a room like this before and might know expected ceiling temperatures when the kiln is in operation. Thanks in advance.

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See this link for garage storage units on a project we're working on: https://www.wirecrafters.com/products/storage-lockers/garage-storage/ .

These are intended to be used for an enclosed parking structure in a mid-rise multi-family rental building.  As indicated in the photos (and photos from similar manufacturers) there are no sprinklers underneath the cages.

Will sprinkler heads be required?

Would appreciate code verbiage as well. We hope to not have to install sprinklers underneath due to cost reasons.

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An existing F1 occupancy with no high-piled storage is getting an addition, resulting in the total square footage for the entire F-1 area (all open) being over 50,000 ft sq, thus requiring smoke and heat vents per the 2012 IBC and IFC.

The question was asked if smoke and heat vents can just be added to the new addition and install a draft curtain to separate the existing from new, so smoke and heat vents will not be required in the existing space.

My question is, would a draft curtain be sufficient for creating a divided area in this regard?

There is no true definition of a divided area in either the building or fire codes. I wouldn’t think it would necessarily need to have a fire barrier or partition. I would assume a properly sized trap curtain would be sufficient?

Does anybody have any experience with this unique type of issue, or have any comments or suggestions?

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Is sprinkler protection required for laundry rooms with electric dryers? 

This project is in New York City specifically. Thanks in advance.

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About Pressure Reducing Valves for high pressure water supplies - I understand these need to be "indicating".

How can a PRV be an indicating type? What should I be looking for in inspections?

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Is there a code requirement that states sprinkler pipe must maintain a certain distance from fireproofing sprayed onto structural steel?

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NFPA 13 requires dry pipe and preaction system branch piping to be pitched at least ½” per 10 ft, and mains pitched at least ¼” per 10 ft in non-refrigerated areas.

Should an exception be considered (less pitch or no pitch) for systems utilizing nitrogen to maintain system pressure?

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I have a horizontal split-case fire pump, with suction taken from the header. The distance from the flange of the tee to the pump flange maintains the minimum 10-pipe-diameters as required by NFPA 20. 

However, is the 10-pipe-diameters measured from the flange of the gate valve (OS&Y vale) or from the flange of the tee?

I received a comment from a consultant that stated the 10-diameters is to be measured from the OS&Y gate valve flange.

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