We have a rehab of a two story with a walk out basement where they are going to expand the basement level and make it mercantile with the two upper floors being R-2.
This is Type V-B construction and they are proposing to 1-hour horizontal to separate the mercantile from the R use. They are wanting to use the standpipes as their sprinkler risers. My question is three-fold: 1. Can they sprinkler the entire building with 13R, or 2. Can they omit sprinklers completely in the mercantile if they separate from the R use by 1-hour (the mercantile by itself would not require sprinkler protection, 3. Can they sprinkler the mercantile with 13 and the R use 13R without a rated separation? I am an AHJ and only wanting to require what the Code requires. I am having trouble deciphering the requirements. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Max
9/22/2023 08:10:02 am
They would need 3 HR separation in order to mix 13 and 13R. Look up "pedestal buildings".
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Eric R
9/22/2023 08:36:22 am
If you are using the IBC as your building code then you should be able to do the entire building as 13R. The commentary in the IBC talks about this, but the general concept is that if the ONLY reason the building is required to have sprinklers is due to the R occupancy than 13R is allowed to be used.
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Dan Wilder
9/22/2023 08:58:21 am
Looking through the last couple projects' Code Analysis Sheets (Ref 2018 IBC/IFC), all showed 3-hour horizontal separations per Section 510 to allow 13 below & 13R above (separate building allowances). Those projects are a mix of parking below(S-2)/R-2 above, Restaurant/Business/Mercantile (B/M) below and R-2 above, or Lobby/Pool Area/BBQ areas (A-3) with R-2 above.
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Glenn Berger
9/22/2023 10:00:27 am
The first thing that is needed is what are the governing rules and regulations for where this project is located.
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Todd E Wyatt
9/22/2023 11:21:01 am
Q1. Can they sprinkler the entire building with 13R, or
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Todd E Wyatt
9/22/2023 11:21:29 am
REFERENCES
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Eric R
9/22/2023 11:52:39 am
Todd,
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Todd E Wyatt
9/22/2023 12:01:37 pm
IF the Group M Mercantile is NOT required to be protected by an ASPS per 903.2.7, then a NFPA 13R is acceptable to be used for the entire building IF the Group R Residential meets 903.3.1.2.
Alex
9/29/2023 08:30:11 am
Working on a similar project at the moment. They need a 3 hour separation to go with 13/13R. If they do not provide the separation, while you are still a separated occupancy, you need to protect the entire building with 13.
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