NFPA 13 in talking about concealed spaces uses the language "Concealed spaces of exposed combustible construction shall be protected by sprinklers."
What does the term "exposed" construction mean? We have a wood deck structure with a steel frame and a un-heated attic; so trying to figure out how to solve this without a dry system (historic building so spray foam on the interior is economical). It would be nice to put an ignition barrier/thermal barrier on the wood deck and then not provide a sprinkler system. (concrete deck of the attic). Thanks in advance for your take. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Dan Wilder
10/16/2023 08:58:30 am
So, when there is no direct explanation of a term within NFPA, Websters Dictionary is supposed to provide the meaning of a term, in this case Exposed = "Open to view" and/or "Not shielded or protected"
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Chad
10/16/2023 12:36:13 pm
As Dan said, you have to wrap in in Type X or something similar, if allowed/accepted. This is the only way to not sprinkle that attic.
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Casey Milhorn
10/16/2023 09:14:01 am
This is from NFPA 13, 2016 ed. Not sure which edition is applicable for you, but I don't believe this has changed much lately. (verify that of course).
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Anthony
10/17/2023 07:05:55 am
The phrase "The threshold value at which sprinklers become necessary in the concealed space is not defined." has always lead to a judgement call. IMO if your whole roof deck is wood then you have a fire spreading hazard and possible structural problems in the event of a fire. As compared to a framed out wall with studs extending to a concrete deck where the structure wont collapse in a fire.
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DAVID T WILLIAMS
10/16/2023 09:38:31 am
The AHJ is NAVFAC, Since we were trying to avoid a dry system we had gotten some preliminary approval of installing Tyvek with cap nails on the deck (to allow removal), then spray foam, then DC315 intumescent coating.. but our historic steel framing system pushed that cost well over an additional $500,000 do to labor of installing the Tyvek around all the framing.
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Streeter
10/16/2023 10:26:29 am
Fireproofing wood with paint does not typically make the material non-combustible, it just creates a non-combustible surface. Per NFPA 13, A.4.10.1.1(1) commentary, intumescent coatings can be applied to trusses and plywood to create a noncombustible or limited combustible coating, they typically will not meet the NFPA ASTM standards for a noncombustible material, and need AHJ approval. I don't think painting the wood creates a code-compliant non-combustible space, and think the only options are dry system, fill with non-combustible insulation, which is not reasonable, gyp the entire attic, or what might be the most reasonable option, seal the attic and heat it properly to just have a wet system.
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Jon Nisja
10/16/2023 12:14:14 pm
Extreme caution urged here; there is no way to make wood (a combustible material) into a noncombustible material by applying some after-market product. Most of these products - as Streeter points out - help with flame spread reduction by making surface ignition or burning slower.
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Jack G
10/16/2023 02:02:25 pm
Not knowing how big your attic is, would it be possible to remove the wood plank and reinstall lightweight concrete planks—— no combustibles. ( ? ) bucks material, ( ? ) bucks labor demo as you install ?
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Glenn Berger
10/16/2023 05:28:13 pm
"Exposed Combustible" is one of the easier definitions in NFPA 13. If non-fire-rated materials is visible, then exposed combustible construction is occurring. Encapsulated the combustible construction with an approved fire retardant material is typical accepted to eliminate the sprinkler requirement. Check with the authorities before proceeding down this path and get their approval.
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David Williams
10/16/2023 08:08:07 pm
Well... it doesn't say you can eliminate sprinklers in a combustable SPACE... but it DOES say if the space has no EXPOSED combustable construction, sprinklers are not required... thus my question. What makes the wood roof deck boards not EXPOSED or the surface non-combustable ? Only 5/8 Gypboard? Intumescent spray? Rockwool. The UL 814 product I found?
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Todd Wyatt
10/17/2023 04:02:49 pm
NFPA 13 – 2019 references “exposed” (107) times (e.g. 9.3.17.1.2 Localized Protection of EXPOSED Combustible Construction or Exposed Combustibles) references it (10) times in Chapter 2 Definition but does not specifically define what “EXPOSED combustible construction”.
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James Art, FPE
10/18/2023 05:02:17 pm
2 questions:
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