I purchased a commercial condo recently. It’s been vacant and unfinished since 2013. It’s a shell, picture is below. It has 5 residential condos on top and 5 commercial condos on first floor, in a 3 story building. All residential units were sold and have been occupied since. One commercial unit was also built and has been occupied as a salon with a U & O. There are no sprinklers, no fire room. They were going off of 2006 IBC code.
My architect prepared stamped plans with no sprinklers using the separated building scenario. It has a 2-hour horizontal separation, 3-5 hour vertical, no access to second floors. The plan was denied for sprinklers to be installed. Now, I certainly understand safety, but it’s almost impossible to install now after 12 years. Can you help me decipher mixed use B (1st floor) and R-3 (2nd and 3rd one unit)? Is this approach allowed by code, or is the code official correct? Is a self-contained fire area allowed to be its own building? Please help, thanks. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Pete H
1/30/2024 06:40:28 am
What's the square footage per floor?
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Henry
1/30/2024 08:18:03 am
The IBC requires a sprinkler system to be installed throughout a the entire building with a R occupancy - note it says "entire building"...now if you provide the appropriate fire walls or horizontal separation you may get out of sprinklering the lower commercial space but not the upstairs...the code also allows any legally conforming structure to remain in service so if it was designed legally at the time and you do not change the use or occupancy it would still be compliant.
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Todd E Wyatt
1/30/2024 09:09:21 am
First, hire a Design Professional (e.g. Architect and/or Fire Protection engineer) to evaluate the initial plan review and permitting process and to evaluate the existing conditions (e.g. Occupancy Classifications) to determine if the original approval is still valid.
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Todd E Wyatt
1/30/2024 09:09:53 am
REFERENCES
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Todd E Wyatt
1/30/2024 09:10:26 am
1. The buildings are separated with a horizontal assembly having a fire-resistance rating of not less than 3 hours. Where vertical offsets are provided as part of a horizontal assembly, the vertical offset and the structure supporting the vertical offset shall have a fire-resistance rating of not less than 3 hours.
Greg
1/30/2024 09:27:05 am
This reply is without opening any of the NFPA 13 and 13 (letter) standards, .... and assuming the technical still holds on this data, but wouldn't the least expensive sprinkler installation be a retrofit-exposed CPVC ? Possibly, a variance to get to this concept to get cost vs. safety aligned...
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Greg
1/30/2024 09:41:54 am
Website reference for the above NIST report.
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Greg
1/31/2024 08:28:51 am
There is an assumption being made in the original question,
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Pete
1/30/2024 10:27:48 am
I see several IBC and relevant modern code citations, but I didn't see IEBC comments. This will depend on your jurisdiction, but if the building was compliant when it was built under 2006 IBC, and assuming you're doing renovations to the residential and tenant infills to the commercial, if your proposed work is limited to Level 1 alterations, which is basically cosmetic only (without changes to the common corridors, stairs, common egress travel path, or without changing major equipment [ I believe making an allowance for like-for-like equipment replacement]), you are not required to update fire protection to the current IBC. This is a generality and largely dependent on whether your jurisdiction has adopted/ allows permit applications under IEBC. If they do allow it, it may drastically alter your plans, but it would certainly be cheaper to go back to the design board than to retrofit sprinklers. You would need to do the cost-savings analysis on how the diminished design would impact the profitability of the property. If you do decide to install fire protection, I know there are listed residential sidewall sprinkler systems designed to retrofit CPVC pipe behind the crown molding. Exposed pendent systems are an option for the commercial space. These options need to be discussed with your design pro/ sprinkler contractor.
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Need more information whether the shell had a final co.
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