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Company License to Perform Testing, Inspection?

7/11/2024

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Can a company who is licensed in the installation of fire sprinkler systems perform the acceptance testing of the system or does that company need to be licensed to perform testing and inspections?

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Chad
7/11/2024 06:48:57 am

Every state and/or city has different licensing, so it depends. Most, but not all, allow installers to also test and inspect their or others work. Some places have licensing for test/inspect only, I have not seen an install only license for sprinklers, that's just my experience.

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Dan Wilder
7/11/2024 07:57:06 am

State licensing is intentionally, and sometimes frustratingly, broad...but typically the license description typically has "...license to install, alter, and repair..." however some states have additional licensing requirements for a specific qualified person within that company to hold an additional license(s) or be listed on the more general one, example being an RME (Responsible Managing Employee).

The ROC (Registrar of Contractors) for that state will list requirements, duties, and areas of work available for a license holder.

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Mike Morey
7/11/2024 08:25:01 am

I agree with Dan and Chad, licensing is jurisdictional and will vary greatly, but I've never seen a jurisdiction where acceptance testing wasn't covered under installation. Ultimately installers are working under NFPA 13, inspectors are NFPA 25, until the system passes it's initial acceptance testing it's an NFPA 13 "job". While licensing can be done any way someone pleases, it would be very odd to see a license not cover all of the activities required in the standard that generally dictates how that work is done.

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Eric R
7/11/2024 08:27:51 am

Question already answered (as usual) so here is an extra point for discussion.

Should jurisdictions that have licensing requirements for installation work allow them to carry over to inspection work?

While there is significant overlap (its the same industry after all) the skills and knowledge required to properly perform NFPA-25 inspections, and more importantly, evaluate the results of tests, is very different from those needed to install pipe and heads.

My very best foreman wouldn't be able to tell you if a fire pump flow test meets the mfg curve after adjusting for engine speed, or if the voltage drop and load are within the acceptable range.

And don't construe this as a knock on installers, my very best inspector would get completely stuck running an install project and dealing with all the coordination issues involved while maintaining all the proper coverages and end head pressure needs.

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Ricardo Gonzales Jr
7/11/2024 08:59:00 am

License for Installation should always include the ability to test. The best reason: if you're incapable of installing a system, how can you honestly say you can test it and understand what the test signifies. Just checking a box is inconsequential if one doesn't understand what the test is for and about.

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J.H
7/11/2024 09:16:25 am

Florida AHJ here, and the permit-holder for the installation is absolutely responsible for system acceptance testing and documents, or their permit does not get finaled.

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Jonathan Griffin link
7/11/2024 09:58:10 am

In North Carolina, and Installation contractor still performs the Underground & Above-ground testing of the completed installation; this includes the hydrostatic test & Dry-pipe flow test.

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Jonathan Griffin link
7/11/2024 09:54:54 am

In North Carolina there are two (2) separate license categories:

Fire Sprinkler Installation Contractor (NICET 3/4 WBSL), and

Fire Sprinkler Inspections Contractor (NICET WBS I&T 3)

An installation Contractor cannot perform inspections of installed systems; an Inspections Contractor cannot repair or install fire sprinkler systems (Not even the repairs they note on their inspections)
Just FYI... good luck!

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Jack G
7/11/2024 11:22:55 am

NFPA 13 gives covers the testing thru the materials and test certificate the installing contractor fills out along with recommended practices NFPA 72.
Depends on municipality , or Engineer of record.
Some specs call for a third party inspection. ( gives the contractor who finished 2 nd a chance to attack your install)
I think the install contractor should hold both licenses if required by the municipality and most do.

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Jeff
7/14/2024 06:50:53 pm

Install it, air test it, street pressure test it, hydrostatic test it, sign above ground test papers all on one license. Quarterly and Annual inspections&testing come later, same license may be different tech.

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