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I cannot find a residential sprinkler that will allow for sloped ceilings greater than an 8/12 pitch.
How can we approach this and still provide proper protection in a residential property? Most log cabins have ceilings with a pitch up to 12/12. Thanks in advance. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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We have a house (single family home) that will require an NFPA 13D system, but it is not going to be connected to city water.
There is a well onsite. The well completion report does not provide a pressure or flow output. Can the well be used as part of the hydraulic calculations? What data would be necessary to incorporate it? If not, I'm assuming that both a pump and tank would be needed here for the 13D system? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe My understanding is that when using residential concealed sprinklers in a single-family (residential) home, there is an exception to beams - that we space as if they are not present. This is in the living room (image below). I think the plan reviewer is looking for sprinklers within each bay. My reading of the code was that concealed sprinklers cannot be lowered, so I disregarded the beams.  Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I have a mixed-occupancy, 100-year old 1-story house within a metro area. There is existing office space up in the front of the building, and a one-bedroom apartment in the back.
We are adding a camelback addition to the building. The existing office space will remain as is and we will have two 3-bedroom apartments in the back. The camelback will be set back 20-feet from the front of the house. The height of the building will be 30-feet. Can I use 13R or 13D in the residential units? Do I need any sprinkler in the commercial office space upfront? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I purchased a house with fire sprinkler system that is 30 years old. The previous owner had the sprinkler disconnected about 10 years ago when a furnace repairman stepped on one of the sprinkler pipes. The damage was repaired but the water line to the sprinkler system was not reconnected (not sure why).
I was wondering if it would be okay to have it reconnected now? It is a 30-year old system and has been inactive for 10 years. Do the pipes become brittle are there other concerns in reconnecting? Thanks for you help. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I'm reviewing a single-family home NFPA 13D system.
What is the proper way to calculate a 13D system? Is this a 2- or 4-sprinkler calculation? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe There always seems to be controversy about residential sprinklers in the garage.
I recently came across a section in the 2018 IRC under Section 309.5 and it states that private garages shall be protected by fire sprinklers (must be residential or quick response, designed to 0.05 gpm/sqft density) where the exterior wall has been designed based on Table 302.1(2) Note A. This table addresses minimum fire resistance ratings for exterior walls. Note (a) allows fire separation distance for non-rated exterior walls and projections to be reduced to 0-feet, unlimited openings and penetrations, with a setback, where residential subdivisions are all sprinklered. While looking at that table, I am not sure how to verify on the sprinkler plans if the garage meets that design method. I have started asking the contractor to add a note on the plans regarding the design method and if they use this table and note to design the wall then sprinklers are required in the garage. How would you interpret this section for compliance? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe 13, 13R, 13D: Calculations and High Ceilings
I was reading through NFPA 13 (2016 ed.) and caught Section 8.10.2.2: Residential Sprinklers shall not be permitted to be used on ceilings with slopes greater than 8 or 12 or ceiling heights greater than 24 feet unless specifically listed for this purpose. This got me curious about how it affects NFPA 13R and 13D, checking into those I didn't see any restrictions where residential sprinklers stop being allowed at the ceiling height, however the maximum 24-ft ceiling was noted in NFPA 13D (2019) 10.2.1 and NFPA 13R (2019) 7.1.1.3.1 in regards to design sprinklers. So am I correct in assuming that if you have a residence with a 24'-1" foot ceiling in the family room (say there's a loft second floor), that you now have to calculate and design the space per NFPA 13 rather than 13R or 13D (as that ceiling height is outside of the scope of 13R and 13D)? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe When are standard response sprinkler heads a better choice than quick or fast response heads (5mm vs. 3mm bulb)?
Are there applications where it would be preferable to have a slower response time? As far as I know, quick and standard response heads cost the same, come with the same k-factors, and the same temperature ratings. Why would the slower one be chosen? When would you choose a Tyco TY-B instead of a TY-FRB? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Is there a minimum distance clearance required or recommended from the fire sprinkler and the top of a stacked washer dryer in small closet?
What is the reason for the clearance needed? I heard that 4” is needed for the clearance rather than the standard 18” in a public area. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Does the 'small room rule' apply to NFPA 13D sprinkler systems?
I could not find any mention of it in 13D. If 13D does not allow it, why not? Submitted anonymously and posted for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Per NFPA 13D 2019 Edition Section 8.2.1.3, "Concealed Sprinklers shall be permitted to be installed in beams not greater than 4 in. (100mm) in depth."
Semi-recessed heads can be permitted to be installed in beams up to 14in. Why do concealed sprinklers installed in beamed applications have a 4 inch limitation? Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Where exactly does a hydraulic calculation need to end?
When we run a hydrant flow test, there's a static/residual hydrant and a flow hydrant. I regularly run my hydraulic calculations from the building, through the service main, to a street main, and then up the tee'd branch that serves a hydrant so that my source point is exactly at the elevation of the static/residual hydrant. I do this so that I make sure to account for the proper elevation of the water supply. Most other hydraulic calculations I see will end wherever the building's service main intersects with the street's supply. Is this correct? Wouldn't that place the source at an elevation lower than what the hydrant indicated is available? Wondering what the proper way is that I should be precisely calculating systems. Thanks in advance. Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Why does a townhouse which is 4-story require an NFPA 13R system?
The IRC is specifically geared toward one-and two-family dwellings up to 3 stories, but the IBC allows 13D systems in R-3, R-4 condition 1 and townhouses (903.3.1.3). Is there another prevailing code reference that overrules this allowance? Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe I have an inspector who wants me to prove that calculating run or through tees is appropriate for 13 Residential systems.
I showed them that run tees are in 13D, he thinks they should be calc'd in 13? How do I prove something is not in a code? Any help would be appreciated. Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Does the proximity to a residence and the number of windows make a difference in which system is used (NFPA 13 vs 13R vs 13D)?
What are those requirements that make it change? Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe Residential single-family dwelling is getting an NFPA 13D sprinkler system with a pump and water storage tank.
Is the test line required to be routed to the exterior, or can it be run back to the water storage tank? I've seen it both ways but don't see an applicable code section. Posted anonymously by a member for discussion. Discuss this | Submit a Question | Subscribe |
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