When is a sleeve required (or not required) at the base of a sprinkler riser when it comes through a floor?
Is there a requirement I'm missing in NFPA 13, NFPA 24, or the plumbing code? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Alex
5/17/2022 05:47:35 am
Hi,
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JI
5/17/2022 08:07:51 am
In my local codes, it is not explicitly required. However the fire stop assembly drawings usually call for a steel pipe sleeve of some sort to maintain the rating between floors or walls.
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schulman
5/17/2022 08:08:11 am
i require sleeves in all pipe penetrations through concrete, cmu walls or floors, above, on, or below grade
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Wes
5/17/2022 08:21:54 am
Not saying it's bad to do, but why do you require sleeves? Mechanical damage to the pipe itself? Protect the walls/floors?
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Colin Lusher
5/17/2022 08:30:34 am
It's for seismic protection; see section 9.3.4 of NFPA 13 (2016)
Wes
5/17/2022 08:37:22 am
Agreed that the clearances are required for seismic; but couldn't you have clearance around the pipe from a core-drilled hole?
Colin Lusher
5/17/2022 09:12:04 am
Yes, sorry my response was unclear. Clearance doesn't need to be provided by a sleeve, it's just the most common solution. Sleeves are great if you can set them correctly before concrete is poured or cmu is placed. However, core drilling is fine. For underground stub-ups you can wrap it in bubble wrap or foam insulation before the concrete is poured. Anything that provides the clearance required in 9.3.4 is acceptable.
Wes
5/17/2022 09:18:57 am
Thanks Colin - and agreed. I ran into it on a military specification and came to the same conclusion. Thanks for the input!
Colin Lusher
5/17/2022 08:34:49 am
The sleeve would be required anywhere "Piping is Subject to Damage Due to Earthquakes" per Section 9.3; see specifically section 9.3.4 of NFPA 13 (2016) which is where this requirement originates.
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Todd Wyatt
5/17/2022 08:38:26 am
Through-penetrations of a fire-resistant rated (FRR) horizontal assembly (HA) including floor construction shall be protected with an approved through-penetration firestop system per 2021 IBC 714.5.1 Through Penetrations. The rating of the HA is determinate on the building's Type of Construction (TC) per Chapter 6, Table 601. Floor Construction's FRR range from 2-Hours to 0-Hours per it's TC
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Matt C
5/17/2022 08:42:05 am
The short answer is... never.
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Wes
5/17/2022 08:50:59 am
I wasn't the OP, but this is why I come here. Great explanation and I appreciate the perspective I didn't have Matt!
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Jesse
5/17/2022 09:05:28 am
I came in a little late today and by the time I opened this up, everyone had answered. Great answers by all. This is what makes this forum so valuable.
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Joe Chadwick
5/17/2022 09:37:46 am
Sleeves in floors, raised an inch or so above the finished floor to serve as a dam, are frequently required in lab buildings and certain high hazard occupancies where spills are possible.
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AHJ
8/9/2023 03:57:10 pm
This is a great response that I had never even considered. What a great point. Thanks very much.
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Manny Rios
5/17/2022 02:23:22 pm
In our jurisdiction the architects include the piping clearance requirements on the plans and project specifications. By either core drilling or by the use of a sleeve with sufficient size to be in compliance with the IFC and NFPA requirements. NFPA 13 section 9.3.4.2.
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