MeyerFire
  • Blog
  • Forum
  • TOOLKIT
    • ALL TOOLS
    • BUY THE TOOLKIT
  • UNIVERSITY
    • ALL COURSES
    • JOIN THE UNIVERSITY
  • PE Exam
    • PE Forum & Errata
    • PE Store
    • PE Tools
    • PE PREP SERIES
    • PE Old Questions
  • STUDENTS
    • LAND JOB/INTERNSHIPS
    • STUDENT CONNECTOR
  • LOGIN
    • TOOLKIT-ONLY LOGIN
    • UNIVERSITY LOGIN
  • STORE
  • OUR CAUSE
    • ABOUT MEYERFIRE
    • JOB OPENINGS
    • BECOME AN INSTRUCTOR
    • HELP/SUPPORT
Picture

Use QR Reduction for Miscellaneous Storage?

7/25/2023

9 Comments

 
We have a wet system. Inside the system is a walk-in freezer, which has less than 10-ft of rack storage, Class I-III commodities, protected by dry pendent sprinklers from the wet system. Ceiling height is 11'-9".

Using the chart for Miscellaneous Storage up to 12-ft in Height (Table 13.2.1 of NFPA 13, 2016 Edition), thi is to use the design curve for OH2 on Figure 13.2.1. 

Since the ceiling height is so low, and it's equivalent to an OH2 design curve, there's a request to apply Figure 11.2.3.2.3.1 and reduce the design area within that freezer by 37% and use the smaller hydraulic design area.

However, it's not an Ordinary Hazard area, it's a Miscellaneous storage area that is equivalent to an OH2 curve.

Are you permitted to use the remote area reduction for Miscellaneous Storage here?

Thank you for your time.

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
9 Comments
Pete H
7/25/2023 06:43:46 am

So I think I may have asked this one... and it's one I'm pretty sure I've answered in the mean time:

NFPA 13 (2016) 13.2.2: Installation criteria as permitted by NFPA 13 and design criteria and modifiers as permitted by the density/area method of Chapter 11 for ordinary hazard Group 1, ordinary hazard group 2, and extra hazard group 1 and extra hazard group 2 occupancies shall be applicable.

Yeah, you can do it.

Reply
Anthony
7/25/2023 08:09:23 am

The system is wet but the drops will have to be dry for the freezer. Does anyone think that would affect the "wet system only" stipulation on 11.2.3.2.3.1?

Reply
Anthony
7/25/2023 08:10:42 am

I'd also note that high temp heads should be used in all freezers so heads don't go off during a defrost cycle.

Reply
Taylor
7/25/2023 08:17:50 am

No, that doesn't change that it is a wet system. Dry sprinklers do not have the same delayed discharge inherent with a dry system.

Reply
Casey Milhorn
7/25/2023 08:17:07 am

I was about to say no until I saw Pete's reply. If you were to read the reduced area section for QR sprinklers (see below) you would have to say no at first. But I'm with Pete on this one, it appears you can. Make sure you are using QR dry pendent sprinklers. Sometimes those can get hard to find in the larger orifice sizes, so make sure the model used does indeed have the QR listing and it's applicable to the spacing and intended use.

11.2.3.2.3 Quick-Response Sprinklers.
11.2.3.2.3.1 Where listed quick-response sprinklers, including
extended coverage quick-response sprinklers, are used
throughout a system or portion of a system having the same
hydraulic design basis, the system area of operation shall be
permitted to be reduced without revising the density as indicated
in Figure 11.2.3.2.3.1 when all of the following conditions
are satisfied:
(1) Wet pipe system
(2) Light hazard or ordinary hazard occupancy
(3) 20 ft (6.1 m) maximum ceiling height
(4) No unprotected ceiling pockets as allowed by 8.6.7 and
8.8.7 exceeding 32 ft2 (3.0 m2)
(5) No unprotected areas above cloud ceilings as allowed by
8.15.24

Reply
Jesse
7/25/2023 08:31:01 am

I'm confused by the statement

However, it's not an Ordinary Hazard area, it's a Miscellaneous storage area that is equivalent to an OH2 curve.

OH 2 is Ordinary Hazard. There really isn't anything just Ordinary Hazard. Its either Ordinary Hazard Group 1 or 2.

Reply
Pete H
7/25/2023 12:43:17 pm

Similar to the code itself, "ordinary hazard" can be used as a generalized term when it is either ordinary hazard group 1 or 2, and whichever it is isn't actually important to the discussion.

As seen in NFPA 13 (2016) 11.2.3.2.3.1(2) - Light hazard or ordinary hazard occupancy.

Reply
Dan Wilder
7/25/2023 08:37:56 am

As long as you're not in the 2002 edition (Sept 2010 #4 Tech Notes NFSA), the QR area reduction is applicable and to give Pete some backup. It is not as clear in the more current versions from digging around a bit.

From the 2016 handbook excerpt:

13.2.2
The most popular modifier from Chapter 11 is the reduction in the design area (based on the ceiling height) for the use of quick-response sprinklers. This reduction is not allowed for storage protected in accordance with Chapter 12 or any of the requirements in Chapter 14 through Chapter 21, but the reduction is allowed for miscellaneous storage and low-piled storage based on 13.2.2. Any of the adjustments that apply to ordinary or extra hazard occupancies under Chapter 11 also apply to the corresponding miscellaneous or low-piled storage. This adjustment includes the 30 percent increase to the design area for steep ceiling slope (greater than 2:12 or 16.7 percent), which is not permitted to be used with other types of storage but is allowed to protect storage covered under Chapter 13.

Reply
Franck
7/25/2023 10:05:55 am

Yes you can
Storage below 12 ft (class I-III) is not considered as storage, but as ordinary hazard occupancy (whether it is is miscelaneous or pure storage does not matter).
All reductions apply.
Note that you can also have a slope at ceiling gretaer than 17% and apply the 30% area penalty (while it is not allowed to have a 17% slope at ceiling if height is above 12 ft).

But to be honest, for a new project and if your water supply allows it, I won't do it. This will give you margin for possible future changes of commodity classification (use of plastic containers, for example).

Reply



Leave a Reply.

    SUBMIT A QUESTION
    Picture
    Why Sponsor?

    ALL-ACCESS

    Picture
    GET ALL OUR TOOLS

    SUBSCRIBE

    Subscribe and learn something new each day:
    I'm Interested In:

    COMMUNITY

    Top Sept '26 Contributors
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    SEE LEADERBOARD

    YOUR POST

    SUBMIT A QUESTION

    PE EXAM

    Get 100 Days of Free Sample Questions right to you!
    SIGN ME UP!

    FILTERS

    All
    A1171
    ABA
    ADA
    ASCE 7
    ASME A17.1
    ASTM E1354
    Blog Thread
    Daily Discussion
    Design-documents
    EN 12259-1
    EN 12845
    Explosion Protection
    Explosion-protection-prevention
    Fire Detection And Alarm Systems
    Fire Dynamics
    Flammable And Combustible Liquids
    Flammable-combustible-liquids
    FM Global
    Human-behavior
    IBC
    ICC 500
    IEBC
    IFC
    IMC
    IPC
    IRC
    ISO
    Means Of Egress
    NBC
    NFPA 1
    NFPA 10
    NFPA 101
    NFPA 11
    NFPA 110
    NFPA 1142
    NFPA 1221
    NFPA 13
    NFPA 13D
    NFPA 13R
    NFPA 14
    NFPA 15
    NFPA 16
    NFPA 17A
    NFPA 20
    NFPA 2001
    NFPA 214
    NFPA 22
    NFPA 220
    NFPA 221
    NFPA 24
    NFPA 241
    NFPA 25
    NFPA 291
    NFPA 30
    NFPA 307
    NFPA 30B
    NFPA 31
    NFPA 33
    NFPA 37
    NFPA 400
    NFPA 409
    Nfpa-415
    Nfpa-45
    Nfpa-495
    NFPA 497
    NFPA 5000
    NFPA 502
    NFPA 54
    NFPA 55
    NFPA 654
    NFPA 68
    NFPA 70
    NFPA 701
    NFPA 72
    NFPA 75
    NFPA 770
    NFPA 82
    NFPA 850
    NFPA 855
    NFPA 90A
    NFPA 92
    NFPA 96
    NICET
    OBC
    OSHA
    Passive Building Systems
    PE Prep Guide
    PE Prep Series
    PE Sample Problems
    Poll
    Smoke Management
    Special Hazard Systems
    UFC 3-600-01
    UFC 3-601-02
    UFC 4-021-01
    UFC 4-211-01
    UPC
    Updates
    Water Based Fire Suppression
    Weekly Exams


    ARCHIVES

    October 2026
    September 2026
    August 2026
    July 2026
    June 2026
    May 2026
    April 2026
    March 2026
    February 2026
    January 2026
    December 2025
    November 2025
    October 2025
    September 2025
    August 2025
    July 2025
    June 2025
    May 2025
    April 2025
    March 2025
    February 2025
    January 2025
    December 2024
    November 2024
    October 2024
    September 2024
    August 2024
    July 2024
    June 2024
    May 2024
    April 2024
    March 2024
    February 2024
    January 2024
    December 2023
    November 2023
    October 2023
    September 2023
    August 2023
    July 2023
    June 2023
    May 2023
    April 2023
    March 2023
    February 2023
    January 2023
    December 2022
    November 2022
    October 2022
    September 2022
    August 2022
    July 2022
    June 2022
    May 2022
    April 2022
    March 2022
    February 2022
    January 2022
    December 2021
    November 2021
    October 2021
    September 2021
    August 2021
    July 2021
    June 2021
    May 2021
    April 2021
    March 2021
    February 2021
    January 2021
    December 2020
    November 2020
    October 2020
    September 2020
    August 2020
    July 2020
    June 2020
    May 2020
    April 2020
    March 2020
    February 2020
    January 2020
    December 2019
    November 2019
    October 2019
    September 2019
    August 2019
    July 2019
    June 2019
    May 2019
    April 2019
    March 2019
    February 2019
    January 2019
    December 2018
    November 2018
    October 2018
    September 2018
    August 2018
    July 2018
    June 2018
    May 2018
    November 2017
    October 2017
    September 2017
    August 2017
    July 2017
    June 2017
    November 2016
    October 2016
    July 2016
    June 2016


    PE PREP SERIES

    SEE LEADERBOARD

    SEARCH THE FORUM

    RSS Feed

Picture
​Home
Our Cause
The Blog
The Forum
PE Exam Prep
The Toolkit

MeyerFire University
​Pricing
Login
​Support
Contact Us
Picture

MeyerFire.com is a startup community built to help fire protection professionals shine.
Our goal is to improve fire protection practices worldwide. We promote the industry by creating helpful tools and resources, and by bringing together industry professionals to share their expertise.

​MeyerFire, LLC is a NICET Recognized Training Provider and International Code Council Preferred Education Provider.

All text, images, and media ​Copyright © 2016-2025 MeyerFire, LLC

We respect your privacy and personal data. See our Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. 
The views, opinions, and information found on this site represent solely the author and do not represent the opinions of any other party, nor does the presented material assume responsibility for its use. Fire protection and life safety systems constitute a critical component for public health and safety and you should consult with a licensed professional for proper design and code adherence.

Discussions are solely for the purpose of peer review and the exchange of ideas. All comments are reviewed. Comments which do not contribute, are not relevant, are spam, or are disrespectful in nature may be removed. Information presented and opinions expressed should not be relied upon as a replacement for consulting services. Some (not all) outbound links on this website, such as Amazon links, are affiliate-based where we receive a small commission for orders placed elsewhere.

  • Blog
  • Forum
  • TOOLKIT
    • ALL TOOLS
    • BUY THE TOOLKIT
  • UNIVERSITY
    • ALL COURSES
    • JOIN THE UNIVERSITY
  • PE Exam
    • PE Forum & Errata
    • PE Store
    • PE Tools
    • PE PREP SERIES
    • PE Old Questions
  • STUDENTS
    • LAND JOB/INTERNSHIPS
    • STUDENT CONNECTOR
  • LOGIN
    • TOOLKIT-ONLY LOGIN
    • UNIVERSITY LOGIN
  • STORE
  • OUR CAUSE
    • ABOUT MEYERFIRE
    • JOB OPENINGS
    • BECOME AN INSTRUCTOR
    • HELP/SUPPORT