A municipality in which we work is denying my request to eliminate sprinklers on exterior patios and balconies because of 2018 IBC paragraph 903.3.1.1.1, which states that just because one does not want sprinklers in a room or area for whatever reason if it is normally required to be sprinklered.
Then, two paragraphs later, Section 903.3.1.2.1 the code specifically addresses balconies and patios and goes on to discuss when sprinklers are required as if they are normally not required. How can I explain this? Also, the building is a highrise, I-B construction. Thanks in advance. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Todd E Wyatt
3/12/2024 08:21:31 am
Occupancy Classification (OC) = ???
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Todd E Wyatt
3/12/2024 08:22:01 am
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Dan Wilder
3/12/2024 08:24:22 am
903.3.1.1.1 requires protection with an approved fire detection system as an alternative to providing fire sprinklers. Does the balcony have this level of protection?
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Colin Lusher
3/12/2024 02:11:43 pm
903.3.1.1 Requires sprinklers "throughout", but only "in accordance with NFPA 13". The exemptions provided in 903.1.1.1.1 are exemptions BEYOND the requirements of NFPA 13. So per IBC 2018 you are allowed to eliminate sprinklers where they are NOT required by NFPA 13, OR by 903.1.1.1.1.
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Dan Wilder
3/12/2024 03:20:06 pm
None of my AHJ's allow that due to balcony BBQ's, Blackstone flat tops, and smokers being placed into the area. The building owners tried to get things written into the CC&R's for tenants which lasted about 2 years then it started getting abused so it was rescinded.
Colin Lusher
3/12/2024 03:48:58 pm
Yes, I understand the position of your AHJ Dan, although it does seem a bit conservative. However, my jurisdiction is opposite; we are very rarely required to install them on balconies, however, most of the HOA's have restrictions that don't allow BBQ's or any fuel fired cooking equipment on the balconies, and you can't store anything other than a plant or two on most balconies.
Jack G
3/12/2024 10:21:11 am
Lots of things to consider.
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Conrad
3/12/2024 02:00:43 pm
As Jack mentions, IBC - 2018, table 504 specifies height limitations, a Group R High Rise IB will be over 75 feet tall and therefore must follow "S" footnote on table 504 which references 903.3.1.1 for fire sprinkler system NFPA 13.
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Colin Lusher
3/12/2024 02:15:04 pm
IBC 2018 section 903.3.1.1 Requires sprinklers "throughout" the building, but only "in accordance with NFPA 13". The exemptions provided in 903.1.1.1.1 are exemptions BEYOND the requirements of NFPA 13. So per IBC 2018 you are allowed to eliminate sprinklers where they are NOT required by NFPA 13, OR by 903.1.1.1.1.
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Conrad
3/12/2024 04:23:15 pm
Assuming Group R High Rise, any projection over 2 ft could be used for combustible storage (not including the allowances for combustible furniture and similar) and then NFPA 13 - 2018, section 8.15.7.5 would apply.
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Colin Lusher
3/12/2024 04:41:22 pm
Sure, any space "could be used for combustible storage", and with that very conservative approach (imo), you'll be sprinkling every eve over 2-ft regardless of intended or practical use. Is it likely going to be used for storage? Probably not. These exceptions in NFPA 13 are there for a reason, and therefore I use them within reason when applicable and when my engineering judgement tells me its acceptable. You can't design a building around every unforeseen (is it going to turn into an apartment in 20-years?), and I don't waste much time trying to predict the unpredictable. I feel fine omitting balcony sprinklers for non-combustible hotels AND apartments, as long as there are no BBQ's allowed on the balcony, and as long as the HOA has reasonable requirements for what can and cannot be stored on the balcony. And believe me, if someone is breaking the HOA rules, they're going to hear about it real quick in my jurisdiction as there is sure to be a Karen hiding behind every window shade lol. Leave a Reply. |
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