Recommendations with FM-200 Phase-Out?

3/7/2022

Given the HFC (hydrofluorocarbon) production phase-out, what are you currently recommending to your clients and customers regarding the installation of new FM-200 systems at this time?

Just curious to get a status check on how you approach this challenge. Thanks in advance.

Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe

9 Comments

Mike L

3/7/2022 07:14:01 am

We're currently resorting to NOVEC 1230 (FK 5-1-12) for clean agent suppression systems.

Inergen (or other inert gases) require too much real estate for all the required tanks.

Most of our Data Center clients don't want to hear the words "water mist" in relation to their server areas..

Dan Wilder

3/7/2022 07:26:46 am

My company has also gone the route of NOVEC 1230 for most clean agent installs. As the price continues to creep up, we have had some success with alternates when space, power, or expansion needs have been brought to the table early.

Alex

3/7/2022 08:12:13 am

Echo the responses above, we’ve gone towards NOVEC 1230.

The prices are getting out of control though, have the client sit down when discussing the system!

Alex

Glenn Berger

3/7/2022 08:13:53 am

NOVEC 1230 for most clients, some are willing to go Water Mist.

Jesse

3/7/2022 08:21:24 am

Novec 1230 seems to be a comparable alternative.

Pete H

3/7/2022 08:51:49 am

Novec 1230 seems to be the most popular choice. Viking sells them by way of 3M (Or 3M sells them by way of Viking, however you want to phrase it).

They call it VSH1230 Clean Agent System. They have a webinar you can access on their site.

Mark Harris

3/7/2022 05:55:39 pm

3M makes the Novec 1230 agent and sells to multiple OEM's. Ansul, Kidde, Janus, Viking, Sevo etc. In NFPA 2001 Novec 1230 is FK-5-1-12. . No GWP and around five day atmospheric lifetime.
Typical Class A or under 480 volt Class C design concentration is 4.5% and NOAEL of 10% so high personnel safety margin.
Ansul brand name is Sapphire..

Anthony

3/8/2022 08:14:24 am

Sapphire is being requested by facilities people, I think Ansul is doing a good job of marketing to end users.

Jim

3/9/2022 12:59:16 pm

Well, Sapphire is certainly easier for lay persons to remember than NOVEC 1230.

Does the 1230 even refer to anything structure-wise (like the Halon naming conventions) or is just arbitrary like WD-40?

Leave a Reply.

Home
Our Cause

The Blog
The Forum

PE Exam Prep
The Toolkit
MeyerFire University

Pricing
Login
Support
Contact Us

MeyerFire.com is a startup community built to help fire protection professionals shine.
Our goal is to improve fire protection practices worldwide. We promote the industry by creating helpful tools and resources, and by bringing together industry professionals to share their expertise.

MeyerFire, LLC is an International Code Council Preferred Education Provider.
All text, images, and media Copyright © 2022 MeyerFire, LLC

We respect your privacy and personal data. See our Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. The views, opinions, and information found on this site represent solely the author and do not represent the opinions of any other party, nor does the presented material assume responsibility for its use. Fire protection and life safety systems constitute a critical component for public health and safety and you should consult with a licensed professional for proper design and code adherence.

Discussions are solely for the purpose of peer review and the exchange of ideas. All comments are reviewed. Comments which do not contribute, are not relevant, are spam, or are disrespectful in nature may be removed. Information presented and opinions expressed should not be relied upon as a replacement for consulting services. Some (not all) outbound links on this website, such as Amazon links, are affiliate-based where we receive a small commission for orders placed elsewhere.

Recommendations with FM-200 Phase-Out?

Leave a Reply.

ALL-ACCESS

SUBSCRIBE

COMMUNITY

YOUR POST

PE EXAM

FILTERS

ARCHIVES

PE PREP SERIES