I'm reviewing a stadium project. The maximum available open vertical distance from WC stalls to the ceiling is 11.8-inches (300mm).
According to NFPA 13, table 10.2.7.2.2 (2019 Edition), the horizontal distance allowed from stall to sprinkler is 14.8-inches to 17.7-inches (375mm to 450mm). The width of the WC cubicle is 33.5-inches (850mm), so sprinklers must be provided in each cubicle. This will result in many sprinklers in a wet area that has non-combustible or limited combustibility materials. Therefore, I've suggested sealing the cubicles up to the ceiling to create small WC rooms less than 55 sqft (5.1 sqm) to eliminate sprinklers. To my knowledge, there are no references that support this option for such an occupancy. Is my suggestion to omit sprinklers in these small compartments consistent with the spirit of NFPA 13? Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Pete H
9/8/2023 07:06:04 am
I'm sorry, but no.
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Chad
9/8/2023 07:21:21 am
Agreed. Even if you could, I would not skip coverage in a stadium, small or not if required.
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Anthony
9/8/2023 07:58:41 am
As Pete says, that's not an acceptable interpretation of the code. you could "skip several stalls by placing the sprinkler directly over the divider and go every other stall.
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Glenn Berger
9/8/2023 08:12:14 am
Concurring with the previous responses!
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9/8/2023 08:32:32 am
One should not “game the codes” by closing the openings between stalls to make small compartments that would fall below room size minimums for requiring sprinklers. I recommend that you put the sprinklers in the currently-required locations. Placing them at the dividers to allow a sprinkler to cover two stalls would provide an economical solution.
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Todd E Wyatt
9/8/2023 08:42:44 am
The scoping Code (e.g. 2021 IBC) determines the scoping requirements WHERE (903.2 Where Required) an automatic sprinkler system (ASPS) is required based on the building's Occupancy Classifications (OC) and/or based on "Specific Building Areas and Hazards" (e.g. Commercial Cooking Operations). The scoping Code references applicable standards, NFPA 13, NFPA 13D, or NFPA 13R, in HOW an ASPS is to be "designed and installed" (903.3.1 Standards).
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Todd E Wyatt
9/8/2023 08:43:52 am
REFERENCES
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Chris
9/8/2023 10:12:05 am
The omission of sprinklers in bathrooms under 55 ft² applies to bathrooms within dwelling units. In commercial spaced this does not apply, and 100% of the building is required to have protection, except where omissions are allowed per the standard. If the stalls are not full height, and you are attempting to protect each stall individually, at 33.5" wide per stall you would run into sprinklers being less than 6-0 on center, or floor mounted obstruction issues that would be almost impossible to protect with obstruction rules. NFPA 13(19) 12.1.10.2.3 SHADOW AREAS, takes into account situations like this. With allowable shadow areas up to 15 ft² per sprinkler. NFPA 13 does not require that 100% of the floor area must get protection, but does require that the building is 100% protected.
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Chris
9/8/2023 10:57:17 am
To be clear, my above comment references a Residential section. In NFPA 13. There are many references to shadow areas in the standard, but are not quantified in size, with the exception of 13D and 13R. As you stated in the 'sprit of NFPA 13' in you question, the point I am making is there are situations in buildings that require quality knowledge of fire protection and common sense. Also, I am assuming that there is a gap from the floor to the bottom of the partitions that would allow water to cover the floor area freely without obstruction.
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DAVE
9/8/2023 12:22:17 pm
If you have scrolled down this far... I also agree, that would be a mis-application of the standard. There are reasons that exception is limited in application.
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Jesse
9/8/2023 03:00:15 pm
Ahhh gotta emphatically say "No" here. I think that's a pretty significant mis-interpretation of 13.
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