I have a unique situation. I have no idea how to approach this design since this is a big fire hazard to me. Maybe it's not as bad as I think. We have a project where there are art installations that are made from plastic bags. Picture something like elephant legs (bigger at the ceiling, smaller at the bottom) throughout a space. They are made from plastic bags. They are attached to the ceiling on a steel grid apparatus and the steel is attached to the deck (I believe the deck is to be non-combustible). They have a similar installation in Vegas and from pictures it looks like they installed high temperature pendants 12" or more from the ceiling. I would think this is not going to help put a fire out but maybe I am wrong. Any advice would be great. Thanks in advance. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Jesse
9/16/2022 08:08:14 am
Its hard to tell from the rendering; does the material effectively cove he ceiling? Are the pendents above that between that and the deck?
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Glenn Berger
9/16/2022 08:17:51 am
The "good part" of your situation is that you really do not have storage installation. The "bad part" is that art museums and galleries tend to have questionable commodities being displayed constantly. I would recommend ceiling sprinklers design for OH2 and if possible provide some type of early warning detection that can see below the artwork to alert personnel and the fire department.
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Dan Wilder
9/16/2022 08:44:31 am
This is a perfect example where a qualified FPE would be needed for establishing the design criteria and overall life safety.
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CJ Bonczyk
9/16/2022 10:01:42 am
Agree with Dan here that a licensed FPE should provide the criterion here AND coordinate with the local AHJ.
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Franck
9/16/2022 11:48:28 am
This is a tricky situation.
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Jessica
9/20/2022 08:31:10 am
I think my biggest concern was using a quick response sprinkler head and not something more like an ELO so more water would be on the fire should it happen.
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Greg
9/16/2022 12:45:03 pm
I've worked with art museums and artists in the past and it is common for some of the works to present unique fire challenges. I would recommend starting with your objectives and working directly with the artist first. In this case we have a fuel type that will not match the traditional requirements for Class A rating on wall and ceiling. So, this must be addressed. Working with the artist, present fire retardant options that can be included on the materials. I found one such product that might have merit but will likely need some testing by the AHJ and artist (see link below). Will this result a test that's 'listed' ? No, but working together to achieve a flame spread objective is very important. Communicate with the artist that success with fire retardants will make it easier when this venue moves to another museum. When you have completed a test with a fire retardant product, what is your evaluation of the fire retardant performance and flame spread. Will it extinguish within 2 seconds when a flame is removed. How rapidly does the material burn when a flame is left against the material. What would you classify it's flame spread with the applied FR materials.
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Jessica
9/20/2022 08:28:49 am
Thank you Greg for this insight. I will mention this to our contractors and designers. Much appreciated.
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schulman
9/19/2022 07:28:10 am
i'm not going in there.
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Jessica
9/20/2022 08:28:07 am
HAHAHA! That is exactly what I said when I saw it. I do not want to be in there should there be a fire. They also have another room with paper ceilings.
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