Any thoughts or experience in system life expectancy for dry sprinkler systems with galvanized versus black steel pipe, and compressed air versus nitrogen?
Our firm (MEP/FP consultants) typically recommends nitrogen and galvanized pipe for dry sprinkler systems, and we often get the value engineer requests to accepts compressed air and/or black steel. Any studies or data that support your experience? Approximate cost savings you might expect from each? Thanks in advance! Posted anonymously for discussion. Discuss This | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Jeremy James
12/21/2020 09:21:29 am
Typically, if you use nitrogen, you could lea in the side of using black pipe for a cost savings and an over redundancy. As an installation company, we've been told that galvanized is more susceptible to MIC due to the fact that microbes will attack one small spot (were the not coated or coating is broken) in the pipe and will become more concentrated, rather than a uniform and even distribution throughout the pipe. Obviously, nitrogen over an O2 compressor would be preferred as it will not add moisture or oxygen to then system, hopefully limiting the main components for corrosion. So, to answer your question, nitrogen and black pipe is the way to go. If cost is of concern, then industry standard leans towards galvanized and an air compressor. If you want a longer life system, then use Sch. 40 galvanized.
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Jonathan Sullivan
12/23/2020 09:21:20 am
Accelerated corrosion has been a hot topic for our structural engineers lately; especially with epoxy coated rebar. I'm curious to see how it plays out.
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12/10/2021 09:33:00 am
When a water is introduced for the first time to a fire sprinkler system, The internal environment becomes a breeding ground
James
12/21/2020 09:26:19 am
There was a game-changing white paper (almost ten years ago now) on this that completely changed my perspective on galvanized pipe in dry systems. The industry has (at least around here) very much gotten away from galvanized pipe in dry sprinkler systems, and for good reason.
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Dale
12/21/2020 10:29:39 am
James, thanks for sharing this link to the white paper. Very informative!
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Patrick Drumm
12/22/2020 09:25:30 am
James,
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Glenn Berger
12/21/2020 09:30:11 am
As James mentions above, the use of nitrogen has proven to be a game changer. The use of galvanized steel pipe is definitely not worth the money. Prior to nitrogen system being widely acceptable I was using the instrument-quality air with dessicant dryer configuration.
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Sean Smither
12/21/2020 09:57:55 am
Im hesitant to support a group that promotes its own products while making claims based upon their own research. While its known about nitrogen, I feel the whole campaign against galvanized pipe by ECS has benefitted ECS greatly in terms of sales. Black steel in corrosive atmospheres will not last, even with aggressive measures being taken(painting, rust proofing . External corrosion situations must be considered. I suggest more studies be done on this subject matter . Read more into it than just trusting a study funded and performed by the same people who will benefit from it.
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CJ Bonczyk
12/21/2020 10:03:36 am
Each type of system life expectancy will vary depending on the system type, quality of installation, and the owner maintenance. Even with nitrogen an improperly maintained and installed system can have issues thus depreciating the life of the system.
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Brian Gerdwagen FPE
12/21/2020 10:06:12 am
Before moving to the South, I used black steel and compressed air for 10 years for all the Dry Systems my company installed in Los Angeles. We had a long history of those systems working for many years without complaint. The big difference is where the systems were installed.
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Casey Milhorn
12/21/2020 10:08:58 am
I am no expert on this by any means, but multiple studies have found that what James said is true about the way corrosion attacks galvanized vs black steel pipe. The studies appear to be above board and were done in a controlled environment (which has its plusses and minuses). From a real world perspective we tend to see the same issues with galvanized and black steel the same. As expected, sch. 40 holds up a LOT better overtime, especially if roll grooved and not threaded. If I were a building owner that expected to own the building more than 5 to 10 years, I would opt for Nitrogen and black sch. 40 steel, at least on 2" and below. I would ask that roll grooving be used as much as possible on the branch lines. If I had an open air garage or loading dock or other type system exposed to the elements, I would opt for galv. sch. 40 2" and below along with Nitrogen. I would probably opt for nitrogen tank systems rather than generators due to cost, if I were dealing with just one or two smaller dry systems. Over that, the generators make more sense as the cost is spread out over several systems and many times one generator can service multiple systems. I always like to look at things from an owners point of view. That's my two cents anyway.
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12/21/2020 03:56:26 pm
FULL DISCLOSURE: I am a co-author of the white paper referenced earlier.
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Brian Gerdwagen FPE
12/21/2020 04:03:36 pm
But you do sell corrosion consultation, so you do have a financial interest. It may not be in pipe, but to say that you have not benefitted is misleading.
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12/22/2020 09:24:25 am
Brian - I believe I have been very forthcoming about my role/position on this subject matter. To suggest I'm being misleading is inappropriate.
sean smither
9/23/2022 06:00:52 pm
Right on!
Sean Smither
9/23/2022 05:58:43 pm
Tell me again how you didn't benefit from it financially. ECS sells nitrogen products for the fight against corrosion. If I install black steel pipe in Hawaii, it has a lifespan of 2 maybe 3 years. Galvanized piping lasts, with a regular schedule of painting, 6 to 10 years. This may not be a published white paper and I may not have the credentials you possess, but I do have field and personal experience. This is external corrosion, I have yet to see a galvanized fire sprinkler system internally fail due to corrosion. All black steel systems, that I have come across with internal corrosion and pinholes have been black steel pipe schedule 10. Schedule 10 pipe is a joke and most installers will tell you so. Needless to say the wheel will come back around and another paper will be wrote.
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Mark Harris
12/23/2020 03:41:38 pm
Regarding grooved schedule 40 pipe I have seen specifications that required cut verses roll grooves. Reasoning was moisture that would not readily drain at rolled grooves and the roll groove process can damage the galvanized coating onside pipe.
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