I have a canopy that is completely detached from a building (school) and is an entirely a separate structure. The canopy has no walls and is not in an egress pathway. The canopy is used for bicycle storage and bicycles are not stored overnight.
Is there any code path to require sprinklers underneath this canopy? If not, what is the code path to omit fire sprinkler protection? Thanks for your help! Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Chad
5/15/2024 08:06:55 am
Need more info:
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Matt
5/15/2024 12:50:10 pm
This is detached from the building and separated by about 6"
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sean
5/15/2024 08:04:40 pm
did the designer treat it as a separate building or same building?
robert bennett
5/16/2024 07:08:56 am
Matt,
Glenn Berger
5/15/2024 08:14:35 am
Chad asked the first round of questions. In addition:
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Matt
5/15/2024 12:54:16 pm
Wood building (Type 3B I believe)
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Pete H
5/15/2024 08:21:09 am
Your code path is likely going to be in IBC. Likely in Chapter 9.
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Todd E Wyatt
5/15/2024 08:23:46 am
Based on the scoping Code (e.g. IBC-2021), review of the Automatic Sprinkler Systems (ASPS) requirements starts in Chapter 9 Fire Protection and Life Safety Systems based on the Occupancy Classification (OC) which would either be Group U - Utility or Group S-2 Low-hazard Storage.
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Pete H
5/15/2024 01:45:20 pm
This is the answer.
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Andrew
5/15/2024 02:56:50 pm
Assuming this structure is just considered Group E to match the main school building, wouldn't this still fall under IBC 903 to provide sprinkler protection throughout the "Fire Area" which IBC 202 defines as the area within exterior walls and excludes any surrounding area that are not included within the horizontal projection of the roof?
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Anthony Brown
5/15/2024 08:50:54 am
All good comments but my question is this, can the structure trap heat to ensure head activation?
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Steve Cooper
5/15/2024 09:47:02 am
I am assuming it is the standard thin vinyl canopy used at schools/ public areas. I believe it might burn before heads go off. If protection is required, using a low temp sprinkler could solve that issue. Maybe a 135 Degree head.
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Matt
5/15/2024 12:56:00 pm
There is good reason to believe you could get heads to activate.
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Jack G
5/15/2024 09:36:15 am
As all have indicated above, not enough info.
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Wes
5/15/2024 12:52:06 pm
Jack, where is your 50-ft minimum separation coming from? Most buildings are not separated by 50-ft minimum.
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Matt
5/15/2024 12:58:25 pm
1. Yes
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Steve Cooper
5/15/2024 09:44:30 am
I have run into a similar scenario with a Retirment home/ apartment complex. It had a separated canopy in the center of the project not connected by any walls the main building. The AHJ agreed we did not need fire sprinklers underneath, but it was also a canopy for a pool. There is nothing combustible about bicycle storage. I would ask your AHJ if they would like to see protection, since they have the final say.
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Ricardo Gonzales Jr
5/15/2024 11:37:25 am
The 1st question should be, What is the occupancy of this tent? Has the architect assigned this to any occupancy other than a U?
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Robert Bennett
5/15/2024 12:56:17 pm
The answer is a little more complicated that y'all have addressed The question is this "is the canopy connected to the main building" if the answer is yes then the canopy is part of the main building (even though it does not have walls) and falls under the definition of "area, building" . When the canopy or any projection of the building that essentially cast a shadow is considered inside the gross area of the building. If the school building crosses the sprinkler requirement threshold of the IBC or IFC (typically 12,000 Sq. Ft.) then the "shall be provided...throughout all Group E fire areas" kicks in and requires the installation of fire sprinklers.
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Andrew
5/15/2024 03:14:42 pm
Since, it's detached I'm not sure IBC's definition of a Fire Area (used in IBC 903) requires protection to extend into this canopy. Regardless of the construction type, separation, or loading. The only test is if it's included within the horizontal projection of the roof. It sounds like this one is not.
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Robert Bennett
5/15/2024 03:23:23 pm
The canopy is definitely in the fire area if it is attached. If it is not it has to be considered as part of the main building or separated unless it complied with the 2 buildings on the same lot requirement of IBC 503.1.2
Matt
5/15/2024 01:10:59 pm
The canopy is a completely detached structure. Does it matter if its 6", or 20ft?
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Robert Bennett
5/15/2024 01:51:48 pm
For buildings on the same lot and separation requirements see IBC 503.1.2. Buildings on the same lot.
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Andrew
5/15/2024 02:47:18 pm
How does IBC 503.1.2 require sprinklers, or supersede IBC 903 that limits fire sprinkler protection throughout the "Fire Area", which IBC 202 defines as the area within exterior walls and excludes any surrounding area that are not included within the horizontal projection of the roof?
Robert Bennett
5/15/2024 03:20:15 pm
ANDREW, keep reading the definition it goes on to say
Andrew
5/15/2024 06:37:21 pm
Thanks Robert,
Robert Bennett
5/16/2024 06:59:10 am
Andrew, In response to your 19:30 posting.
Andrew
5/16/2024 03:01:35 pm
Robert - Thanks for your input.
Franck
5/15/2024 01:38:28 pm
If there is no electric bike (no possible thermal runaway from li-ion battery), I see no good reason to provide protection.
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Conrad
5/15/2024 04:09:59 pm
One issue with the covered storage of bicycles is electric bicycles (e-bikes) and the lithium batteries inside. Depending on the location-specific codes, minimum spacing distances may apply from either building or fire AHJ. A 6-inch separation where the existing building is of wood type III construction may depend on the existing building overhang distance and if the existing building is protected by an automatic fire sprinkler system
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Robert Bennett
5/17/2024 11:55:20 am
Look at the larger picture not just the bikes at a school. If it were a canopy with retail merchandise that was flammable then does your answer change?
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