A building 2,880 sqft, 20-ft in height, Type IIB with classification of 4 for occupancy hazard.
When I calculate the gallons needed for a water storage tank, is this based off a 2-hour fire flow per NFPA 1142? If so, where can I find that requirement? 2,880 sqft x 20-ft height = 57,600 cubic feet / 4 occupancy hazard x .75 = 10,800 gallons. Is this 750 GPM x 120 minutes for a total of 90,000 gallons? Huge difference between the two. Thanks. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Glenn Berger
4/19/2024 08:14:38 am
There are many calculation methods that can be used to determined required fire flow. I personally have not used NFPA 1142.
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Jesse
4/19/2024 08:23:16 am
I would ask your AHJ. NFPA has a couple different ways to determine fire flow, but so does IBC. If you're AHJ is operating under IBC, that may apply. Using IBC I get 1,500-gpm for a non-sprinklered IIB building for 180,000 gallons. In calculating tank size, you can factor in refill rate
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Mike Morey
4/19/2024 08:24:49 am
Are you sure 1142 is the correct standard to determine fireflow for the project? Typically most places use IFC appendix B in my experience. If it's a non-residential structure you'd likely be at 1000gpmx120min with a full 13 system, but residential can be as low as 500 gpm for 30 minutes when equipped with a 13r sprinkler system, or the demand x duration of the sprinkler system whichever is greater.
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Wright
4/23/2024 02:08:48 pm
This is NFPA 1142. I need to know if NFPA 1142 requires a 2 hour fire flow and where to find it. So far the code just states this is how much water is needed. I think for a commercial building more than 10,000 gallons is required. 10,000 divided by 500 gpm is only 20 minutes.
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JH
4/19/2024 08:44:07 am
NFPA 1142 is for rural water supply only. If you are in an "NFPA state", and there is no municipal water available, hydrant system fire flow requirements defer to NFPA 1142. You will use the calculations in NFPA 1142:4 to determine the total minimum volume required.
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4/19/2024 08:54:24 am
It needs to be clarified to which standard (purpose) the water supply storage requirement is being applied to. NFPA 1142 is applicable to "establish the minimum water supplies necessary for structural firefighting purposes in those areas where it has been determined that there is no water or inadequate water for firefighting." In these areas, it is highly likely that the water supply will be provided by FD hauled water operations. NFPA 13 requires the water supply to meet the duration requirements of the sprinkler system design and hose stream requirements only.
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Casey Milhorn
4/19/2024 09:25:10 am
I am no expert on fire flow demand to be clear. But from my experience typically private water storage tanks aren't required to meet fire flow demand. Even when dealing with a subpar rural water supply, many times the AHJ overlooks this. There would be many small country churches in our area with huge water tanks if this got enforced as code is written. Again, no expert but this has been my experience.
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Salvatore Izzo
4/19/2024 09:37:55 am
Casey,
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Jack G
4/19/2024 04:21:02 pm
I love fire protection But:
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Jim
4/25/2024 03:12:43 pm
It is all up to the ADJ. He or she can increase or reduce the required fire flows. See the Codes.
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JIM
4/25/2024 03:13:49 pm
AHJ
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Mesbah Redouane
4/28/2024 06:19:37 am
I AM AGREE AHJ
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Fritz Descovich
4/29/2024 09:16:03 am
Just throwing in some thoughts. I and the sprinkler contracting company where I work have been doing system designs for multi-level office and residential buildings in Northern CA for the past 40+ years.
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