If you've taken or plan to take the Fire Protection PE Exam - this one's for you. Cheers.
 
 
Note: If you took the PE Exam in the last four years, and took part in our online PE Prep Series, we’d love to know if you passed the exam. This article is exploring the data from just that information.

This data below is live, so it will update with your information you email us at joe@meyerfire.com.
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AN EXTREMELY COMMON QUESTION
Today on the blog I'm going to look at an extremely common question that comes up every single year for participants in the Fire Protection PE Exam:

How does the MeyerFire content compare to the actual exam?

And - probably more importantly - how do the scores on the MeyerFire content translate to actual performance on the exam?

Before you comment below this article - I will say this - it's complicated.

ANECDOTAL & EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCES
Anecdotally, since I first wrote the first edition of the PE Prep Guide, I've been obsessed with trying to match the level of difficulty in the practice questions with the level of difficulty on the actual exam.

Now I know what level of difficulty I personally experienced when I took that exam.

Many others who have taken the exam have their own experience.

The problem with my own experience is that I had so much emotion wrapped up into that exam.

I remember talking about it to my wife at the time, and I said it might not be the most difficult exam that I've ever taken, but I'm pretty sure it's the most important. And because of that, I put a lot of undue pressure on myself to knock it out in that first attempt.

UNDUE PRESSURE
I think we all, just because of the importance on what that little 85-question exam can do for our career, place an undue pressure on ourselves when we take that exam. 

I say that, because I think the context of how we experience the exam affects how difficult we think the exam is.

Did the practice problems look anything like the exam?

Well, it probably will depend on who you ask.

THE SUPERHUMANS
Well - let's say we're going into the exam. We're extremely well prepared. Our mind is clear. We spent six years and sixteen thousand hours studying for the exam. We hired personal assistants to manage our life, fire protection experts to whisper code in our ears while we slept, and fitness consultants to keep the fire protection experts alive and upright to whisper throughout the night.

Ok, so no one has done that. (Joe why'd you have to make this so weird?)

But there are legitimately people who are excellent at exam prep and taking the exam.

That is not me, but I know they exist.

How? Because they absorb all the prep content I've created like it's a child's flipbook and ask me questions that are three levels deeper than a question was ever intended to go.

I mean, there are superhuman fire protection wizards out there (maybe lizard-people do exist?).

Those people walk out of the exam with confidence, and report back that the content we've created is spot-on with the level of difficulty and concept types on the actual exam.

How could they not say so? Their DNA speaks NFPA 92.

THE REST OF THE WORLD
I'm not one of those people. And I would contend that most people who take the exam are not in that group either.
 
On the opposite end of experience, some of us take the exam like I did the first time I took heat transfer.

I studied a whole lot less than I should. I figured it was open-book and I could dial in the answers while taking the exam. I was busy with other things, and I mailed it in. I actually got physically sick the night before the first exam, and didn’t do my normal ‘cram study’ like I had always done.

I just about failed that first exam, and dug myself a hole I struggled to dig out of the rest of the semester.

[Coincidentally, the courses I always did the worst in were the courses that were all fire-protection-related.. that doesn’t mean anything, right?]

Some people experience the PE Exam that way (not just fire protection).

Perhaps we don’t have the time to study. Perhaps we didn’t plan ahead, or crammed to much, or whatever different reason. We do have lives, I totally get it.

There are many, many smart people I know who did not pass the exam on the first go around.

It absolutely happens.

When we have a terrible, stress-filled experience on an important test – it’s an awful experience emotionally.

When we rush through questions in a frantic manner, there’s no chance that our stress-filled experience is going to lend itself to a clear mind, nor a calm understanding of “oh I’ve seen this question before” or “I know this one by heart.”

It’s just too hard for that.

I get a feedback from just a few test takers each year that have an experience like this. And they offer feedback that nothing prepared them for the exam.

Difficulty, subject matter, or otherwise. Doesn't matter - nothing prepared them for what the exam looked like.

SO WHERE IS REALITY? WHO IS RIGHT?
So if one group says we’re spot-on, and another says we’re nowhere close, then what is reality?

The truth is obviously got to be somewhere in the middle.

I’ve been on the good end of exam taking, and the bad end. I’m right there with you.

TRANSPARENCY 
Not to go all philosophical, but the whole reason I started this site was to help share ideas and support the awesome community that is the fire protection industry.

I want to be all about transparency.

So, each year, right before the exam, that question comes up over and over – how does the prep material (not just MeyerFire, but everyone’s) compare to the actual exam?

And, anecdotally, each experience (because we’re human) can vary widely.

So if emotionally, it’s difficult to tell, then what does the data say? Can the numbers answer that question for us?
 
Yes, but again, it’s complicated.

The numbers we do have are the scores from the online PE Prep Series from 2019 to 2022 (four years of individual online scores).

​WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW
What I really want to know are two things: (1) if the scores on the actual exam are similar to the scores on the MeyerFire prep content, and (2) how do scores compare on the MeyerFire series compare to exam performance?

These can be answered, but only with very limited data.

Here is a summary graph showing the average score on a MeyerFire PE Prep Series Exam. This is an average of all exams taken. The highest-possible score is a 10.0, lowest possible is 0.

On the y-axis, we have the score on the actual exam.

Only the red dots are confirmed, non-passing scores on the exam. We only have a few data points for those which have kindly been shared with us (again, we keep this anonymous).

The orange dots are non-passing results, but we don’t have scores from the exam.

The green dots are passing results. Why are they all at the same score? When someone passes the PE Exam, they don’t get the results, only a “pass” score.

In the last four years, the lowest non-passing score we’ve seen has been a 65 percent, which suggests the raw pass rate for the PE Exam is somewhere around the 66-70% range.

WHAT DOES IT SHOW? 
Because we don’t know the actual passing scores, and we only get limited feedback from users, it’s hard to pull correlations on the data.

However, we can see a few things.

First, is that the likelihood of passing rises significantly with better scores on the MeyerFire online series.

It’s difficult to tell from the graph, but if you check this table below, it becomes a little more apparent:

MEYERFIRE ONLINE PREP SERIES SCORE VS. PASS RATE

This is a live chart, so it’s being kept up-to-date with each new piece of information that comes in.

Again, if you’ve taken the PE Exam in the last four years and took part in our online series, tell us how you did on the exam, so we can give you (and future users) better data.
 
The encouraging trend is that the better you perform on the online series, the more likely you are to pass the actual exam.

Yeah, thanks Joe, duh.

But what’s new today is some of the actual numbers from past examinees.
 
OVERALL PASS RATE?
So Joe, is this overall pass rate the actual pass rate for MeyerFire examinees?

No; because it’s not representative of all users.

First, this is only the pass rate from the sample size that we’ve gathered. It is not reflective of all users. We will absolutely (with some certainty) have a sampling bias here, because the respondents are not going to be representative of the actual user group. If someone doesn’t pass the exam, we’ll hear from them and add an additional free year on the platform. If someone passes the exam, we usually won’t hear from them and they don’t get counted.

Second, this rate might be undercompensating for passed exams due to our setup. We give a free additional year on the online series if someone doesn’t pass the exam. So if that person takes the exam twice, we represent each attempt at the exam here separately.  That’s not true of the inverse condition – if someone passes the exam the first time; they are always counted once.

So when people ask “what’s your pass rate from users of your material?” it’s a great question, but a very difficult one to answer.

WHY AIN'T I IN THAT DATA?
I write all that today with the hope that you’ll let me know if you’ve taken the exam in the last four years, but also for future test-takers.

FOR FUTURE EXAIMINEES
With this information finally published, there’s at least some confidence in how your preparation would suggest you’d perform on the exam, based on past performance.

Now of course, past-performance is not an indication of future trajectory. We know that from every stock-trading commercial on TV today. But, we can still look for trends and have some degree of confidence based on the historical data.

SO IS MEYERFIRE THE SAME DIFFICULTY AS THE EXAM? 
So is the MeyerFire content the same difficulty as the actual exam? Yes, and no.

That’s largely going to depend on your perspective. I’d trust those who just recently took the exam to answer it better than I could. And there's plenty of good that discussion on the facebook group about it. 

But – does that actually matter? That’s an interesting question, because what actually matters is whether or not we pass the exam, not whether or not the questions are the exact same level of difficulty.

My hope is that some of this data will help answer those questions and give confidence for future examinees heading into the big day.

​THANKS 
Thanks for reading, I hope you’ve found this interesting and somewhat insightful. Feel free to comment below, and if you’re one of those examinees who took the exam and the online material, do shoot me an email at joe@meyerfire.com and help us prop this up for future users.
 
Thanks & have a great week.
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- Joe

We've rounded out another year of Fire Protection PE Exam Prep - and with that around here we're turning our attention to the next edition of the PE Prep Guide, which will be the 2023 Edition that will debut early next year.

That said - we have limited copies of the old 2020 Edition that I'm told is no longer allowed to be stored on the premises. They must go! (Imagine the old cheesy car dealership commercials pleading that they have to get rid of cars to make room for new ones, that pretty much sums it up here)

FLASH SALE
Until they're all sold, the old 2020 PE Prep Guides are only $50 + shipping.

​If you've wanted a reference book of key formulas explained with over 200 worked examples matching the older Fire Protection PE Exams? Maybe a nice reference book for the shelf? Maybe an early start to get an idea of what the PE Exam has in it for some years down the road?

Here's a great time to pick up a copy.

Again, this sale is only good while we still have copies available (and we only have limited copies), and is only good for the 2020 Edition. We unfortunately will not be reprinting or adding more books to this sale. Once they're sold, the sale is done.

NEXT (2023) EDITION
With some tweaks to the NCEES references and some additional questions and updates to the book, we are looking to complete a new 2023 Edition of the PE Prep Guide. In the interim, we do still also have copies of the 2021 Edition available and hope to still over those through the rest of this year.

We ran an open-ended study about the why and how fire protection professionals get into the industry and the roles they are currently in.

This is our fourth dive into that data. In the upcoming week or two we’ll summarize and offer tips for business owners, recruiters, and HR professionals on where to look for future talent and how best to “make the pitch”.

WHY EXPLORE THIS
For one, we need more talent in the industry. More quality people mean better overall advocacy for the industry. We will never be recognized at a major discipline if there are far too few people to speak up for fire protection, much less if there’s hardly anyone to do the work.

So then, if we’re actively looking for help and looking to spot future potential – how do we “make that pitch?”

WHAT'S THE ALLURE TO THE INDUSTRY
What should we celebrate about the industry to people that don’t know about it?

Well, like we explored before, the best way to answer that is looking backwards at why we got into the industry in the first place.
 
We asked - as an open-ended question – why did you go into fire protection?

THE RESPONSE
We received 297 unique responses to this question.

Many cited multiple reasons for entering the field. In total, we received 655 cited reasons why our group of 297 people entered the industry.

Now before we get to the full breakout, I’d like to offer a few special shout outs to unique reasons why some people got into the fire protection field. Here are a few of the favorites and important ones as well:

I went into fire protection because...
   ... of the TV Show “Emergency”.
   ... I wanted “to put the fire department out of business.”
   ...“of the beautiful receptionist at the company, whom I later dated.”
   ... “I visited an engineering firm and the engineers bored me to death. I didn’t want to go down that road so I checked into fire protection.”
   ... “after I broke up with the bosses daughter, I figured it was in my best interest to find other employment.” That’s why I got into fire protection.
 
Aside from unique causes, there are more noble ones that became a theme:
   “I wanted to contribute to safety for the people I was really passionate about, the elderly and kids.”
   “It was very interesting and is beneficial to society.”
   “I wanted to feel good about the work I did.”
   “Wanted to make a difference.”
   “I saw it as the way to make the greatest impact and least harm among other engineering disciplines.”
   “I wanted a career that matters.”
 
There were plenty of ‘nerdy’ responses (I say this being a part of that crowd):
   “I enjoyed hydraulic calculations.”
 
There were reasons related to people in the industry:
   “FPE students had a spirit of cooperation that was nonexistent in electrical engineering.”
   “The family, community spirit” of the industry.
 
There were also tragic reasons:
   “When I was 8-years old the house down from us burned down and a great family lost their home.”
   “Lost a brother and father to fire-related deaths.”
   “Our house burned down.”
 
THIRTY REASONS
In all, we could generally categorize each response in one of thirty categories. Many responses cited multiple reasons, so we categorized those under both.

Here are the top 15 reasons why people went into fire protection, broken down by the different industries.

ARCHITECTURAL & ENGINEERING
143 Responses; 229 reasons "why" they went into fire protection.

If you recall back to the first couple parts of this study, you can see the influence of family (24%), friends (19%) as reasons people first heard about fire protection. If that’s a big contributor for awareness of the industry, then it would also jive that many in contracting got into the industry because of these same influences. "Because of Family" ranked as the #6 reasons why those in contracting got into fire protection, which didn't show up at all in Architectural and/or Engineering firm circles.

AHJ & GOVERNMENT
64 respondents, 178 reasons.

TAKEAWAYS

#1 Wide-Range of Responses
I think my favorite part of combing through this was seeing the variety of reasons why people went into fire protection. I would have guessed that the reasoning could have been categorized in maybe five or six reasons, but it's much more nuanced than that. 

In reading through responses, things like "the challenge" versus "learning something new" and "sounded interesting" are very much in the same vein, or similar source, but they're different and a little more nuanced than that.

Things like "job security" and "job stability" can be tied together, they're very related, but many people cited how the industry is "unique", "niche", and "specialized". That's different than saying the industry is "diverse" or "has a wide range of work". 

What were the others reasons that didn't crack the Top 15 lists? They were:

• Because of Location / Didn't Want to Move / Wanted Remote Work
• Passionate / Cooperative People
• There was Little Training Required
• Diverse / Wide Range of Work
• Job Benefits
• Personal Loss
• To Preserve Old Buildings
• Because of a TV Show
• Wanted to Date Someone

#2 Many Motivators Other than Money
To be honest, I thought career potential, salary and benefits would rank a whole lot higher than they have. Job benefits didn't crack the Top 15 reasons for any group, and Money / Pay only ever reached as high as Reason #5 why people entered fire protection. I would have guessed it to rank much higher. 

#3 Think about "The Pitch"
Think about the opportunity you might have to talk to someone new about going into fire protection.

What 'angle' do you take?

What reasons resonate for you? Do those reasons match up with the majority?

If you're looking to craft your reasoning why someone should hop into fire protection - wherever that happens to be - consider first where you are (what type of organization you're in), and then check out the top reasons. Chances are if you can quickly cite those top three-to-five reasons why people go into fire protection, then you may have that 'hook' that helps your case.


I hope this has been interesting. Feel free to shoot me an email or comment below with your own thoughts & takeaways. 

- Joe

One thing I hear as soon as I introduce my role as "Fire Protection Engineer", all the time, is "wow you're a rare bird."

Not sure if it's a compliment or not. 

To be fair they don't always say "bird", sometime's it's "duck" or "unique" or "oddball", but the sentiment is the same.

Fire Protection pros (engineers, designers, project managers, estimators, plan reviewers, inspectors) - we're all rare birds.

That acknowledged - where do we look for more help?

If we need help, and we're ready to train new hires, where do we even look?

For larger organizations, this may be well charted. We know X and Y school has related programs, so we go there. Or we know Z technical college has good students, so we go there. Or we badger our employees to always be thinking about hiring their friends or family. Whatever works.

But one of the key questions I kept coming back to in this space was - if most of us don't start in fire protection - which we now have some data to back up that notion - then where do we come from?

If we're looking for new hires to train up - where are they?

Last week we looked at the industries that fire protection professionals started in, and we broke those out by their current organization type.

This week we're looking at that same period in the career - when we first started in fire protection - and are looking at what education we had at that time.

Many studies about the fire protection industry look for current education status - do you have a fire protection degree? High school? Associates? Bachelors? Masters? 

But that doesn't tell us very much. When someone is in the industry for five years and goes to get a Master's in Fire Protection, well, they're already in the industry.

If we're looking to recruit new people to the industry, knowing that someone has a Master's in Fire Protection, and they got it after they were already in the industry, well that's not helpful.

So here, in this question from our study, we asked specifically what education each person had when they first entered the fire protection industry. 

And here are those results:

DESIGNERS / ENGINEERING TECHNICIANS SPECIFICALLY
This breaks down individuals who are working as designers or engineering technicians (119 response):

Where do fire protection professionals come from?
 
This is a follow-up to the first article in this series where we are discussing takeaways from our industry sourcing survey.
 
What do we hope to answer?

1. How do people even hear about fire protection?
2. Do most in the industry go straight into fire protection? If not, where do they come from?
3.  Why do people go into fire protection?

 
Last week we answered #1, today, we’re covering where people actually come from. I’ll break this out again by the source (A/E, Contracting, AHJ/Gov’t, and Insurance/Manufacturing/Users) as it perhaps is the best way to get suggestions for future recruiting.
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SO, WHERE WAS OUR FIRST "REAL" JOB?
 
ARCHITECTURAL & ENGINEERING SPACE
For Architecture & Engineering (139 applicable responses):

CONTRACTING SPACE
For Contractors (178 responses):

AUTHORITIES HAVING JURISDICTION / GOVERNMENT
For those in government and AHJ roles (64 responses):

TAKEAWAYS
What do you find interesting? What takeaways do you see in the data?

Personally, here's what I found interesting or surprising about these notes:

SO MUCH OF THE INDUSTRY DOESN'T "START" IN FIRE PROTECTION
We mentioned this last week, but anecdotally it seems as though many people in the industry didn't exactly 'intend' to end up in fire protection. The data from our survey seems to suggest the same consistently throughout the different user groups.

OF THESE FIELDS, CONTRACTORS HAVE THE MOST PEOPLE WHO "STARTED" IN FIRE PROTECTION
We'll dive deeper into this later on, but so many in contracting get in "because" of friends and family that it would make sense that their first "real" job is directly in the fire protection industry. That said, there's still just as many people even in contracting that didn't first start out in fire protection as people who did. 

I would imagine the same wouldn't be said for fields like architecture, structural engineering or mechanical engineering.

HOW FEW PEOPLE IN AHJ/GOVERNMENT ROLES STARTED IN FIRE PROTECTION
Personally, I was very surprised at how few people in AHJ and Government roles actually started in fire protection from the survey. This is also our most limited data set, so I can't take away too many conclusions from that subset.

HOW BIG OF AN INFLUENCE MECHANICAL ENGINEERING HAS ON FIRE PROTECTION
Traditionally, fire suppression has been a "subset" of mechanical engineering. This can be seen in the way project specification divisions used to be arranged, or how many mechanical engineers have traditionally specified fire suppression systems.

All of fire protection isn't just in fire sprinklers, of course, but the data we get continues to say that of people who didn't start in fire protection, the most popular starting point was mechanical engineering.

I would think the next few weeks will also support the notion, but if we need to find good people - it's time to start recruiting the best mechanical engineers!

The next part of this series will cover college degrees when we 'first' got into fire protection, which could help highlight exactly where we started out and what we had pursued prior to being in the industry. 

Why is all this important? 

Well, if you're a team leader, a recruiter, a manager, or someone in a role where you need help - then it's time to start recruiting!

Where do you go? Where have people gone before? Where do we, as an industry, have the most luck in finding talent?

Well - look at the data. Check out your user group (are you a contractor? engineer? AHJ?), and see where people historically have come from. That's the first hint on where you might have the most success first.

​We'll go deeper on this in the next part, for now - have a great rest of your week!

I’m excited today to start a series on the who of fire protection.

We’ve seen salary surveys in the past. We’ve seen studies on what degrees people have.
 
But – what about the questions that we all really want answered about how we all got into fire in the first place?

MY BIG QUESTIONS: 

• Why do people actually go into the fire protection industry?
• Do most people go straight into fire protection?
• I can’t find any help - where should I be looking?
• What other areas do fire protection people come from?
• How do people even become aware of fire protection?

 
The awesome thing is – because of your help – we now have data to answer every one of these questions – and we will.

SURVEY RESPONSES
A few weeks ago I posted a survey and we received 443 anonymous responses from you. Thank you!

The 443 total responses include:

• 143 from the Architecture & Engineering space (generally consulting firms),
• 168 from the sprinkler design and contracting space,
• 64 from fire departments, Authority Having Jurisdictions and other government bodies, and another
• 36 from other organizations (like insurance carriers, brokers, trade organizations, manufacturers, and major client/users)

For this series, and in splitting out the date, I will use these four different categories:

• A/E (architecture & engineering),
• Contracting,
• AHJ/Gov’t, and
• Insurance/Manufacturing/Users

Each of these different groupings seem to each show different trends and tendencies, and I think the takeaways will be better showcased by doing so.

THIS SERIES OF ARTICLES
Originally I thought one article could summarize the data and give helpful feedback, but after going through and categorizing over 3,100 different data points (yes, I read and categorized all of them), I found a lot of interesting takeaways that I don’t want to skim over.

So that said, today’s post is the first in a series where I answer each of these big questions.
 
GROUND RULES FOR THE SURVEY & DATA USAGE
A few ground rules that I think are really important here.

If you’re less interested in the nuts and bolts – I suggest skipping down to the findings below.

#1 LOOKING IN THE REARVIEW FOR CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE 
First – I like to think I have a good grasp on how to speak about the industry in a way that would resonate with someone new. I like to think that. However, I’m terrible about it.

I once talked with a nice lady on a plane who asked what I did and I tried to explain what my version of fire protection engineering is. After we talked for most of the flight I mentioned that the industry has things like smoke control, fire modeling, hydraulic calculations, etc. She said I should always start with that stuff, because what I’d said I did sounded incredibly boring. And she was a nice lady!

I’m not great at reading other people’s motivations. Most of us aren’t.

So in order to answer questions about – “how do I pitch fire protection?” or “where should I be looking for help?” – I think we first have to look at ourselves and find out who we are.

Where did we start?

Why did we get into the field in the first place?

If we can answer those questions about ourselves, by looking backwards, then that just might be the best possible answer on how we address industry concerns and issues moving forward.
 
#2 I HAVE NO AGENDA HERE
Second disclaimer - I didn’t come into this with an agenda. The questions (which can be seen here) do not suggest, prompt, or give examples for any specific end result.
 
#3 ALL QUESTIONS ARE OPEN-ENDED FOR UNPROMPTED ANSWERS
Third – each question was open-ended. This is critical. When we’re asking for things like “how did you first hear about fire protection?” or “why did you go into the fire protection field?”, it’s imperative that we don’t suggest ideas. That would poison the well. We needed authentic, unprompted responses. And that’s what we got in this survey.

Just as a quick example – if I ask why you went into the field and laid out seven reasons – naturally we’d select the top ones and move on. That’s not truly representative. Each person has their own reasons, and that’s what I wanted to seek out. It’s not good enough to say “career opportunities” as the reason to get into the field, what we actually need to know is what the unprompted reasons are.

This point becomes really important when we’ll get into reasons why people get into the industry and where they became aware of the industry. When we get data that says that 19% of all designers and engineering techs got into the field in part because they felt it was “interesting” or 12% thought it would be “enjoyable”, well, those are unprompted sentiments. We didn’t put those words into mouths or give A/B/C/D options – that’s what you, the industry, is telling us about why you chose to get into the field.

#4 I'VE CATEGORIZED AND DID MY BEST TO STAY TRUE TO YOUR INPUT 
Last – it isn’t helpful to have a survey that says 443 different things and just give that back.

So, in reading everything that was submitted, I categorized and tried to group responses into themes. I did my best to stay true to the original response in every case.

If someone said they thought the salary would be great, or the pay, or the money – well that’s pretty easy to categorize together.

Others weren’t as black and white, but I did my best to stay true to your responses and in no cases put words in anyone’s mouths. That’s the last important point before we hop in.
 
So what are we covering today? Today I want to talk on awareness.

TODAY'S DATA: HOW DID YOU FIRST HEAR ABOUT FIRE PROTECTION?
We, in the fire protection industry, have been described as “niche” and “specialized”. You’ve probably heard many times how people didn’t really know a fire protection industry “existed”.

So, how do people first become aware of the fire protection industry?
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To this, we had a lot of different responses. ​

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​Here's a quick summary of how people hear about fire protection, in total:

Few notes on the summary table:

• "Industry" includes learning while in another job, hearing about it from a mentor or boss, or from an internship.
• "Research" includes researching beyond firefighting, finding the industry online, while looking for jobs, or by reading articles.
• "Advertisement" in this context includes ads in newspapers, online, or by recruiters.
• "An Organization" here includes Churches, Fire Explorers, or Boy Scouts.

​BREAKDOWN BY GROUP
Here are breakdowns of this question by different user groups:

ARCHITECTURAL & ENGINEERING SPACE
For Architecture & Engineering, the top ways people first became aware of fire protection are (139 applicable responses):

#1 Learned about it while working in an adjacent industry/space (35%)

• Note: only 45% of people here started out in the fire protection industry. Of those that didn't start in fire:
  • 45% reported doing Mechanical-related work,
  • 22% reported Plumbing,
  • 10% from manufacturing or oil & gas related work,
  • 9% from Electrical-related work, and
  • 8% from drafting.

#2 Have family or a relative in the industry (10%)
#3 Originally wanted to be a firefighter/am a firefighter (9%)

CONTRACTING SPACE
For the Contracting space, ways people became aware of fire protection are (172 applicable responses):
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#1 Having family or a relative in the industry (24%)
#2 Having a friend or family friend in the industry (19%)
#3 Learned about it while working in an adjacent industry/space (19%)

• Note, only half (50%) of participants started out in the fire protection industry. Of those that did not:
  • First “real” jobs included Construction (18%),
  • Mechanical-related work (10%),
  • Drafting (9%), and
  • Retail (9%).
  • Other notable but less common were Plumbing-related work, Architectural work, and Military Service.​

FIRE DEPARTMENTS, AHJs, & GOVERNMENT
For Fire Departments, AHJs, and Government entities (63 applicable responses):

#1 Originally wanted to be a firefighter/am a firefighter (32%)
#2 Learned about it while working in an adjacent industry/space (21%)

• Note, only 42% of people here started out in the fire protection industry (this includes firefighters). Of those that did not:
  • 27% started in Construction,
  • 8% started with Military Service, and
  • 8% started in Civil.
  • Smaller but notable initial fields were Plumbing, Architectural, Building Department, and Facilities work.

#3 Have family or a relative in the industry (6%)

INSURANCE, MANUFACTURING, ORGANIZATIONS & CORPORATE CLIENTS
For Insurance, Manufacturing, Organizations and Corporate Clients (34 applicable responses):

#1 Learned about it while working in an adjacent industry/space (29%)

• 56% of respondents here started out in the fire protection industry.
• Of those that did not, there were no themes that emerged; many of these respondents came from different fields.

#2 Have family or a relative in the industry (21%)
#3 By Recruiting or Career Fair (18%)

TAKEAWAYS
So what does this mean? What are the takeaways here? What trends are there?

#1: Most People do not start out in Fire Protection.
This has been a suspicion for some time. Even counting firefighters as “in the industry”, only 48% of respondents (213) started their first “real” job in fire protection. The remaining 228 respondents started somewhere else.

This is commonly spoken around the industry, but I’m not sure that we’ve ever had some data to support it.

What does this mean?

If we’re looking to source talent, it can’t all come from high school, community college, technical schools or universities. Over half of those in the industry are already in some other field.
 
#2: Contractors Spread the Word via Friends & Family
The top ways how those who work for contractors hear about fire protection is overwhelmingly by family, a friend, or relative (43% combined).

This is very different than everyone else, where that’s half as likely to happen.

What does this mean?

For one – kudos to contractors for spreading the word. Those who are now in the industry and work for contractors overwhelmingly heard about it from family and friends.

​For two – this word-of-mouth among contractors is a very important part in sourcing talent. We’ll get into the data there as we get further along.
 
#3: Don’t Discount the Allure of Firefighting for Industry Awareness
It seems like half of my son’s preschool class want to be firefighters when they grow up. My 5-year old daughter wants to be a firefighter for Halloween. I doubt either of them have any that I work in the fire industry.

The allure of firefighting is an asset we probably overlook too much.

I wouldn’t say that we’re all some version of a pyromaniac in this industry, but I would contend that we’re all at least somewhat fascinated with the spectacle of fire itself.

What does this mean?

The appeal of firefighting, and as a means that brings people to the industry, actually shows up in the data as far as awareness. I wonder if we couldn’t play that up a little more.

So if you’re a student in a technical field and have had some buried fascination with firefighting? Well, here’s a whole industry on it. Join the cause.
 
WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?
From the data we’ve looked at today, those are my biggest three takeaways. What do you see?

What’s a surprise, and what is not?

​Does any of this back up your anecdotal experience? Join our discussion here.

I hate surveys. Hate 'em.

Somewhere about 3 years ago it seemed every corporation attended the same weekend seminar and decided that they would hound you for a quick 25-minutes survey after any interaction. 

Like - any - interaction. 

My wife had a short phone call with the nurse line for the pediatrician and she received three emails, a text link and a voicemail to complete a survey about it. Crazy land!

Today - this survey - is not about the LLC; it's a quick study to get information that you all have been asking for.

First, the whole reason I first created meyerfire.com was to find unique ways to contribute to the industry. I love the fire protection industry. I really do.

I enjoy the people, I enjoy the attitude, I enjoy advocating for fire protection as the underdog trade.

If you've read some of these posts for awhile, I hope you've gathered that. This site is truly nothing more than my best attempt to serve you with helpful things that allow you to do great work in the world. At the end of the day, or at the end of our career, ultimately, saving lives is what we're all hoping to achieve. If you haven't read about what we're all about, I gush about it in more detail here. Worth poking around there if you haven't already. 

So what does that have to do with today's post?

I get asked all the time - "how do I find talented people?" 

   "I need a sprinkler designer."
   "I need an estimator."
   "I need experienced help."
   "I need more new hires."
   "The kids out of school these days!"

On, and on.

I’ve had some great conversations on this and ideas to share. 

But perhaps the most important piece is getting the data in the first place.

Where does talent actually come from?

That’s this week.

While I'm the one collecting the inputs - the results are going to have some key indicators for you. This is not a salary survey. This is not a "where is everyone" survey. This is a look at where we come from, and how we got started.

​The survey is short, simple, and I'll share the results with you within 3 weeks from today.

Please, please, please, take this 2-minute, 6-question survey:

Thank you so much! I very much look forward to sharing some ideas and insights that we can gather from the data.

​- Joe

Awhile back I wrote a piece on sprinklers in electrical rooms. At the time I was asked relatively frequently about when sprinklers are required or allowed to be omitted in electrical rooms.
 
I guess intuitively, we recognize that electricity and water don’t mix well. We don’t want to address one problem (fire) by creating a new hazard (electrocution) with water in areas that it doesn’t have to be.
 
In principle, I personally have just about always provided sprinklers in electrical rooms unless they were specifically requested not to be provided by the owner or AHJ; and in those cases, I followed the code path in the IBC or NFPA 13 accordingly.
 
It seems as though the premise behind not including sprinklers is when the type of electrical equipment present a relatively low hazard or fuel source, and there is no storage. In that situation, a combination of 2-hour fire-resistance-rated enclosure with approved fire detection (assuming a smoke and/or heat detector here) will mean that a fire within the room will be recognized, and the rest of the building will not be compromised as a result.
 
Providing pipe within an electrical room isn’t always an easy feat. NFPA 70 tells us that electrical equipment requires dedicated zones, and pipe shouldn’t be run above panels without drip pans or other methods of avoiding drip hazards above electrical equipment.

Now are sprinklers in electrical rooms problematic? Generally not (in my experience).
 
Can pipe routing be made to avoid electrical equipment? Usually yes. I try to only run one branch line into the room, most often above the door (since no electrical equipment is on the door), and stick pipe only above walking pathways within the room.

Does the code or standards express any concern or guidance on this? Yes, both the IBC and NFPA 13 address the situation.
​
One line that is included in the IBC specifically says that sprinklers “shall not be omitted from any room merely because it...contains electrical equipment”. To me, that’s a fairly explicit way of suggesting that the presence of electrical equipment alone isn’t a justification for omitting sprinklers. Now there are code allowances and necessary provisions to do so, but the suggestion is not to simply avoid sprinklers just because there is electrical gear.
 
Despite it being awhile since that article, I have had a few requests to make this one into a flowchart, which I’m happy to present today. A special thank you to Alex Riley, PE, who contributed to the code research for this flowchart.

We previously have introduced different types and combinations of threaded fittings - which have been around for more than a century.

Here we're introducing another common way to join pipe; using grooved fittings. 

Use of "mechanical" couplings that could allow faster joining of pipe came to life in 1919 by Lieutenant Ernest Tribe. Just a few years later the Victory Pipe Joint Company renamed itself to Victaulic (a combination of "victory" and "hydraulic"), and grew to expand the technology worldwide. 

Today, Victaulic and other manufacturing leaders provide grooved fittings that are often used for pipes in fire sprinkler systems. It is not uncommon for both mains and branch lines to be grooved today.

What are common grooved fittings, and how do they work? Let's introduce them. 

PIPE
Let's start with the pipe. In order to give grooved fittings an opportunity to "grip" the pipe and remain in place, they need an opportunity to resist the pressure of the water that is trying to "pull away" the pipe from the fittings which join them together.

In order to create a groove in the pipe, steel can either be "roll groove" or "cut groove". Roll groove pipe involves pressing an indentation into the pipe near the end of the pipe. This allows a grooved fitting to slip over the end of the pipe and fit into the groove. Roll groove pipe has the advantage of not reducing the pipe thickness, so it can have more tolerance for corrosion than thinner pipe, similar pipe with threads, or pipe with cut grooves.

Pipe which is cut groove involves cutting into the pipe rather than pressing it. This cutting removes a portion of the pipe wall, making a thinner but smooth interior pipe wall. This thinner wall makes it more susceptible to corrosion, however, for pipe systems with a minor slope, the smooth inside of the pipe does not create a ridge where water can sit and corrode the pipe.

ELBOWS & TEES
Let's start with the basics. Elbows allow bends of 90-degrees (most common), 45-degrees, 22-1/2 degrees, and 11-1/4 degrees.

Why not every possible angle? What if I need to have a 60-degree bend because of my building?

First, it wouldn't be economical to make a fitting of every bend. Second, is that using just two 90-degree elbows back-to-back we're able to create a "swing joint" and make any angle we could want, just by changing the elevation of the pipe that's being joined.

One notable specialty with the grooved elbow is a "Drain Elbow", which has the elbow except it includes a drain outlet at the bend of the elbow. This is used all the time with fire department connections which come down a wall and need to be capable of being drained (to avoid having water-charged pipe freeze and burst). This is also called a "Drain-El" or is a Victaulic #10-DR.

COUPLINGS
Nice sketches, Joe, but that's not how things look in the field!

That's because unlike threaded fittings, the actual pipe joining is by a grooved coupling. The coupling has malleable iron bumps that grip the indent of one groove (pipe/fitting) and connect it to the second groove (the other pipe/fitting). 

OTHER FITTINGS
There are a host of other fitting types. Grooved Reducing Tees? Yep. Less common. Less common can equate to more expensive, or at least that's what I hear from contractors familiar with all the pricing nuances.

What other grooved fittings do I often see? 

Reducing fittings, which is a concentric, single-cast piece of metal that has a large groove on one end and tapers down to a smaller groove on another end. One note of caution is using these in the vertical orientation; I've heard it is much better, more stable, and stronger to use a reducing-fitting as opposed to a reducing-coupling when in a vertical orientation. One of my clients goes so far to say to not use reducing couplings at all (where the coupling itself has two different groove sizes). I wouldn't have the expertise to gauge that myself.

There are also reducing adapters, than can accept a flange connection and convert it to a reduced groove connection. 

Crosses are also available, as are caps (like the Victaulic #006 shown above on the right) which can terminate the end of a branch line. These caps even have 1-inch threaded opening options for easy auxiliary drains. 

If you're looking to explore the extend of all available grooved fittings, I'd invite you to check out manufacturer's catalogs or do a simple google search for grooved sprinkler pipe fittings. The manufacturer's product data can do a whole lot of good in clarifying what's been created and listed for use in sprinkler systems.

Have tips, tricks, or things to consider about grooved fittings? Comment below.

​That's all for this week - hope you have a great rest of yours.

When teaching the basics of sprinkler layout, I find it far too easy to jump right to talking about sprinkler spacing distances and the coverage area in relatable terms.

SPRINKLER SPACING AS 225 SQFT & 15x15
I say that a sprinkler is limited by a coverage area limit, and by a maximum spacing. I then introduce an example for Light Hazard with an acoustical ceiling tile, and explain that the limits are 225 sqft and 15-ft x 15-ft.

That's all technically correct. And, as an example, it's a common one for those of us that work regularly with light commercial buildings. 

However, by giving that example, there is a whole series of assumptions built in that I completely gloss over. 

UNDERSTANDING THE PATH
Experienced Designers & Engineers will tell you (they've told me), that to teach the fundamentals correctly we really need to start with all the considerations and assumptions that go into a sprinkler layout.

Is the structure combustible, noncombustible, or limited-combustible?

Is the construction Obstructed or Unobstructed?

Are we assuming standard-spray sprinklers, or something like ESFR or Extended Coverage? 

I've gotten caught making basic mistakes - spacing sidewalls inappropriately because I just assumed that a 14x14 spacing applied regardless of the construction type. 

I could be wrong here, but my guess is that even experienced people have made the same mistakes I have on sprinkler spacing because we've glossed over the combustible nature of the ceiling.

A PDF FLOWCHART
Partially to satisfy my own curiosity, and partially because we're getting into a lot of detail with teaching these concepts on the University platform (all our PDF resources are there), I've broken out these different paths and decision trees in a new pdf flowchart. Click above to download the full PDF version.

EVERYDAY USE?
Unlike some of the other charts and checklists we've created, this probably isn't one I'm going to be referencing daily. There's typically only a few common limitations that apply to most of the work that I do.

However, just as a concept, I find it interesting how the considerations of combustible/noncombustible construction, obstructed and unobstructed, exposed members versus non-exposed members all play a part in how NFPA 13 tells us to properly protect each space. This can be helpful as a teaching tool in introducing the spacing concepts.

Hope you have a great rest of your week!