MeyerFire
  • Blog
  • Forum
  • TOOLKIT
    • ALL TOOLS
    • BUY THE TOOLKIT
  • UNIVERSITY
    • ALL COURSES
    • JOIN THE UNIVERSITY
  • PE Exam
    • PE Forum & Errata
    • PE Store
    • PE Tools
    • PE PREP SERIES
    • PE 100-Day Marathon
  • LOGIN
    • TOOLKIT-ONLY LOGIN
    • UNIVERSITY LOGIN
  • PRICING
    • SOFTWARE & TRAINING
    • STORE
  • OUR CAUSE
    • ABOUT MEYERFIRE
    • JOB OPENINGS
    • BECOME AN INSTRUCTOR
    • HELP/SUPPORT
Picture

Use ChatGPT to Combat Bad Specifications?

4/3/2024

 
One of the things that frustrates me to no end about our industry are bad specifications.

If you want to skip the story and dive right to the end – my ask today is that you comment below on what you would want an automated tool to check for when it reviews a set of specifications?

In other words, what issues have you found in specifications in the past that you would want an ideal tool to check for?

I’M GUILTY, TOO
Before I dive deeper and sound preachy, I have two disclaimers:
  1. I am not above making poor specifications and I’m confident that I’ve issued bad specifications as a consultant – so I’m absolutely not above the violators I harp on here - and
  2. If you are a consultant and care about the quality of your work output (true quality – as in doing quality work that helps foster a smooth project) – let me be clear that this is not directed at you. If you care to improve your work quality over time, you’re clearly not in the camp that I’m talking about today. The bad offenders, honestly, don't care - and it shows in their work.

WHAT MAKES A BAD SPECIFICATION?
What makes a bad fire protection specification?

The most dangerous is probably direction which would not meet code minimum. Ambiguity or conflicting information makes bidding difficult. Mandating things which don’t exist for the rest of the industry (such as velocity limitations in hydraulic calculations) can be unnerving and increase cost unnecessarily. Some of the most obvious parts of a bad specification are mandates for products or manufacturers that no longer exist.

The goal of a good specification is the same as the plans – clear, unambiguous communication of what is included and not included in a scope of work.
Picture
LITTLE RECOURSE
After a project is awarded, a contractor naturally has very little leverage to change the scope of work.
Perhaps there are cost-savings options that may be asked of a contractor.

Perhaps there’s a change in the project that opens up opportunities to revisit early design decisions.

But essentially, after contract award, there’s not a whole lot of leverage against complying with a bad set of specifications.

How do we address bad sets of bid documents in our industry?

If it’s life threatening and/or egregious, perhaps we could turn people into the governing boards. But how often is that done? How useful is it to permanently burn a bridge for reporting someone that may not even have any consequence?

The answer from those I speak with is almost never.

Consultants who don’t care about fire protection continue to issue plans and specifications, mostly the same as they always have, with little concern or incentive to change.

OUR INITIATIVE
Part of creating the community here is recognizing that uplifting everyone makes our industry better.

More knowledgeable contractors mean better detailed design and installations.

More knowledgeable plan review and inspectors means better policing and better final results across the board.

More knowledgeable consultants means that projects flow smoother, owners get what they need, and projects are more timely and on-budget.

Part of our responsibility here is to uplift the industry by sharing best practices and making helpful information & tools available that help us all do work better.

We have the educational piece (MeyerFire University), we have shorthand tools and cheatsheets. I write posts here. I have ideas in the works on helping improve access to basic, quality sets of specifications.

But what about now - as in today?

What is the best possible way to actually address a bad set of specifications that will get in the way of a smooth project?
 
PRE-BID RFIs
In my opinion, the most underutilized and best way to help foster a smooth project is challenging the scope before bid with a pre-bid RFI.

Pre-Bid RFIs (Request for Information) is a documented way to ask questions about the scope of a project before it is bid.
These can give an opportunity for a consultant to check their work, check their assumptions, give an opportunity to make a change if necessary, or give a chance to clarify an aspect of the scope.

Consultants can choose to play ball – help clarify the job on what should and shouldn’t be included. They can make changes if necessary, and allow bidders to bid apples-to-apples.

Contractors can also choose not to play – perhaps double down on the (incorrect) mantra of “this is the contractor’s responsibility to determine”, or something similar.

In either case, whether answered or not, Pre-Bid RFIs give the bidders either the information they seek or have greater permission (leverage?) to do as they see fit regarding the scope of the project.
 
SO MORE WORK FOR ME, JOE?
Crafting a good pre-bid RFI historically isn’t the easiest thing, though.

First – the writer has to digest enough of the project to write something coherent and competent – meaning they need to spend time looking through everything.

Second – pre-bid RFIs can sometimes have the presumption that a contractor is causing issues before they’re even on the job. This all comes down to the tone, silly as it might sound. If the pre-bid RFI is accusatory, that’s one thing. But if it’s written to help streamline a smooth project for everyone – then that’s a win for everyone.

Third – and perhaps the reason that pre-bid RFIs don’t happen as often as they should, is simply time. Bid days are time crunches. There’s a lot on the line. Going out of your way to clarify a project when you’re already on a time crunch can be tough.

This is the piece I’d like to help solve, and I think we can with some of your input.
 
THE CONCEPT
What if we had an automated tool that read a set of specifications and generated a helpful, appropriate, Pre-Bid RFI for your project?

While you’re reviewing the specifications and putting together your estimate, you do a 3-step copy and paste into ChatGPT (or something similar) that checks a whole host of specification issues and writes a Pre-Bid RFI for you?

You could have the time savings (huge), but also have AI do the work for checking for the 30 or 50 or 80 things that have been issues in the past – all stemming from specifications.

How convenient would that be?
 
If we could take the onus off of reporting bad players to state boards and instead focused on finding clean, appropriate, and easy ways to help make a project smoother for everyone – without adding any time burden – well that would be nothing short of awesome.
 
What I want to do from here is write a prompt and a step-by-step that I can share back with you all, that incorporates your list of grievances.

Essentially – everyone then has access to an easy way to gut-check specifications and get a custom-written Pre-Bid RFI out of it.

I need your input though to make it as useful for you as possible:
 
WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM ME JOE?
What I would love your input on is your answer to the following:

What have you seen in a specification that was clearly wrong which negatively impacted your project?

What have you found in a specification that makes bidding difficult, isn’t code compliant, or hurts the project?

I’m looking to create a list of checks that AI can do, for you, when it only has access to a project’s specification.

Comment below and let me know your thoughts – and in the next few weeks I’ll test and share a prompt and provide instructions back with you on how to use it. ​
kimberly L olivas
4/3/2024 10:55:43 am

As an Estimator/Salesperson, my opinion of specifications and the lack of or poorly conceived drawings included in bid packages is only getting worse as time goes on. The more people seem to rely on computers, the less thought they are putting into the projects. It's hard to find drawings that even show a visual representation of the scale. I know that seems trivial, but if you're old school like me, you're going to print off a few pages, probably at half size, and things like scales come in very handy. I'd rather not have any FP drawings though, if they aren't going to clear anything up. Drawing a line to indicate a main running down the hall isn't helpful.

Pre-bid RFI's are a luxury of the past, I have expectations on me to bid 5 projects a week, I have no time to get ahead enough to know a project well before the RFI date is past. It also seems to me like most fire protection subs don't want to tip the other companies off at what is going on...So questions are rarely asked. I used to ask RFI's and it is a lot easier to clear stuff up then. I will give it a go again, now after reading this.

For the specifications, please include a scope statement, for example: Provide wet systems to cover the entire building, a dry system for the attic and a preaction system for the computer room, per NFPA 13. Use Semi-recessed sprinkler in the color of white and make them quick response. Use rough brass in unfinished areas. No pipe thinner than schedule 10 allowed.

No one does that anymore, instead they include everything they can on the specifications. Every type of pipe, head, valve, system, etc. and say do per NFPA 13.

I often wonder how these people get away with some of the drawings and specifications I have seen. The spelling and punctuation is getting worse too.

Having said all that, to be fair, the use of technology in making plans and specs has only made more work for everyone, using less people.

BIM is job security for someone in the architects office, and way overboard on the minutia of it all. When a designer has to move 2" pipe 1/2" on a BIM model, I want to scream at the world what a waste of time this is!!!

Thank you for asking, I feel better after this rant. :)

It boils down to this:

There are standards that should be included on drawings. Use them Mr/Ms Architect.

Scope statements for every trade are needed for a clear project, including what you want, not everything it could be.

Technology is a tool, not to be used as a weapon. At the end of the day, humans are putting these buildings together, and the hours we spent making a BIM model that no one will ever see again is a huge waste. Those 1/4"-1/2"-1" moves are a waste of time, and the bigger the project the more time is wasted.

Joe Meyer
4/5/2024 09:46:06 am

Well said, and a lot of insight here!

I especially appreciate your note "technology is a tool, not to be used as a weapon."

I fully agree with the sentiment, and I probably went too far in characterizing the situation as an "us" vs "them", when in reality everyone wants as smooth of a project as possible.

If it's not pre-Bid RFIs (and it doesn't have to be), how do we actually get the bad players to clean up their specifications?

A free spec? Spec generator?

Has to be an answer to the problem, I just don't know entirely what that is yet.

Jack G
4/3/2024 11:07:21 am

In my opinion I d like to see 4 programs : Set up like sprinkcode:
One that you punch in your buildings characteristics, city, state, and it would print out the applicable IBC codes,( for you to review and use with ahj, like the code sheet in a set of architectural plans) to see if any discrepancies.
Second a sprinkcode type program for 13, 13r, 13d. All type buildings, just change 13- etc- prints out applicable sprinkler codes, head types, densities. I love my Sprinkcode
Third Standpipe program- reviews what you punch in, searches 14, prints out applicable codes and scenarios.
Fourth- a city code program for the major cities- sifts thru the code for your actual parameters that you punch in.
Unfortunately this is what you have to do on buildings with bad code sheets ,in order to convince people that they have it wrong, and you aren’t willing to install improperly.
For buildings grandfathered, you would use the version years for each code.
Big ask. It’s fun doing the legwork, and after a while of doing it you know exactly what’s wrong, and where to look. I print out review guides for sales and designers. What to look for. Contractor-57 years of experience.

James Phifer
4/3/2024 11:37:22 am

As a designer, some of my biggest complaints mirror those of Kimberly O. above.
I see a lot of outdated specs or specs that are not relative to the project. some examples, Specs call for water motor gong. I haven't used them in 30 years. Some specs are still asking for Central Sprinklers.
I've designed single story light hazard buildings, and the specs require standpipes and fire pumps.
A lot of times the specifications contradict the contract drawings. contract drawings call for semi-recess heads and the specs will say all heads to be fully recessed and concealed.
It seems that someone wrote one set of specs in 1972 and no one has bothered to edit or update since.

Ralph K Foster III link
4/3/2024 02:51:04 pm

Sprinkler specification requiring a seismic engineer to design the seismic bracing for sprinkler systems.

Brian Gerdwagen FPE
4/4/2024 04:56:17 am

Having spent over a decade on each side of the debate, I could write a novel but I will summarize some points:

SpecLink has helped me as an engineer ensure that the final design will "meet code"

SpecLink will encourage you to spend more of the owner's money by asking for extras above code.

Contractors will not always include the extras, so comparing bids is difficult and give preferential treatment to the low-bid that ignored the specification required extras. Contractors will not always provide an inclusions and exclusions section.

Discuss the extras with your owner first to determine if they want to pay extra for these items that code does not require.

In the SOW that Kimberly mentioned above, please summarize all work and expectations: "Wet pipe throughout per NFPA 13 20XX" is great, but also "conceal all mains in open ceiling hallways above bottom of structure" is amazing.

Casey Milhorn
4/5/2024 09:37:45 am

I love the comments this post has stirred up. Another great topic Joe! I would add a 4th reason for not doing pre-bid RFIs, and I think it might need to the first reason: It's not a lack of time for myself or my teams, but it's something I've taught them not to do very often. It really comes down to not playing your hand too soon and also not playing engineer, which is a big no-no for our team. The fact that we might know better than a competitor is a huge advantage for us and that fact that we value hiring well trained and well paid individuals is part of our DNA. To just share issues with everyone is like giving away that knowledge for free. We have a motto. If it's needed and not shown, give an add price. If it's shown but not needed, give a deduct price. This gives like minded GCs that are paying attention, an advantage as well. It can frustrate some GCs and they might just throw your bid in the trash, but that's a risk worth taking imo. This method has yet to fail us and puts the GC (who we are contracted with at the end of the day) with the clear option of electing to take the add/deduct price and hence modify the scope. This allows the best person to win on bid day and also allows competitors WITHOUT the wisdom to sometimes make costly mistakes. Knowledge is power.

Joe Meyer
4/5/2024 09:41:18 am

Extremely well said - and honestly something I hadn't thought much about.

Part of the concept is to help streamline projects, and your add/deduct pricing model effectively addresses and formalizes that, albeit without tipping off the competition. Interesting.

Would a prompt that queues up the misfires in the specifications help your team out to flag things for you, even if you don't submit as a pre-bid RFI?

Casey Milhorn
4/11/2024 09:52:40 am

If I understand the question/comment, yes we have a list of things to look out for when we review specs and drawings. It is something that can be quantified (if that's the right term).


Comments are closed.
    Picture
    Why Sponsor?

    ALL-ACCESS

    Picture
    GET THE TOOLKIT

    SUBSCRIBE

    Get Free Articles via Email:
    + Get calculators, tools, resources and articles
    + Get our PDF Flowchart for Canopy & Overhang Requirements instantly
    Picture
    + No spam
    ​+ Unsubscribe anytime
    I'm Interested In:

    AUTHOR

    Joe Meyer, PE, is a Fire Protection Engineer out of St. Louis, Missouri who writes & develops resources for Fire Protection Professionals. See bio here: About


    FILTERS

    All
    Announcements
    Book Review
    Calculators
    Career
    Course
    Delegated Design
    Design Challenge
    Detail Critique
    Fire Alarm
    Fire Events
    Fire Suppression
    Flammable & Combustible Liquids
    Flexible Drops
    Floor Control Valve
    Life Safety
    News
    NICET
    Passive Fire Protection
    PE Exam
    Pick A Part
    Pick-A-Part
    Products
    Site Updates
    Special Hazards
    Specifications
    Sprinkler Systems
    Standpipes
    Tools
    Videos


    ARCHIVES

    April 2025
    January 2025
    November 2024
    October 2024
    September 2024
    August 2024
    July 2024
    June 2024
    May 2024
    April 2024
    March 2024
    February 2024
    January 2024
    December 2023
    November 2023
    October 2023
    September 2023
    August 2023
    July 2023
    June 2023
    May 2023
    April 2023
    March 2023
    January 2023
    December 2022
    November 2022
    October 2022
    September 2022
    August 2022
    May 2022
    April 2022
    March 2022
    February 2022
    January 2022
    November 2021
    October 2021
    September 2021
    August 2021
    July 2021
    June 2021
    May 2021
    April 2021
    March 2021
    February 2021
    December 2020
    November 2020
    October 2020
    August 2020
    July 2020
    June 2020
    May 2020
    April 2020
    March 2020
    February 2020
    January 2020
    December 2019
    November 2019
    October 2019
    September 2019
    August 2019
    July 2019
    June 2019
    May 2019
    April 2019
    March 2019
    February 2019
    January 2019
    December 2018
    November 2018
    October 2018
    September 2018
    August 2018
    July 2018
    June 2018
    May 2018
    April 2018
    March 2018
    February 2018
    January 2018
    December 2017
    November 2017
    October 2017
    September 2017
    August 2017
    July 2017
    May 2017
    April 2017
    September 2016
    August 2016
    July 2016
    June 2016
    July 2015
    June 2015
    May 2015

    RSS Feed

Picture
​Home
Our Cause
The Blog
The Forum
PE Exam Prep
The Toolkit

MeyerFire University
​Pricing
Login
​Support
Contact Us
Picture

MeyerFire.com is a startup community built to help fire protection professionals shine.
Our goal is to improve fire protection practices worldwide. We promote the industry by creating helpful tools and resources, and by bringing together industry professionals to share their expertise.

​MeyerFire, LLC is a NICET Recognized Training Provider and International Code Council Preferred Education Provider.

All text, images, and media ​Copyright © 2016-2025 MeyerFire, LLC

We respect your privacy and personal data. See our Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. 
The views, opinions, and information found on this site represent solely the author and do not represent the opinions of any other party, nor does the presented material assume responsibility for its use. Fire protection and life safety systems constitute a critical component for public health and safety and you should consult with a licensed professional for proper design and code adherence.

Discussions are solely for the purpose of peer review and the exchange of ideas. All comments are reviewed. Comments which do not contribute, are not relevant, are spam, or are disrespectful in nature may be removed. Information presented and opinions expressed should not be relied upon as a replacement for consulting services. Some (not all) outbound links on this website, such as Amazon links, are affiliate-based where we receive a small commission for orders placed elsewhere.

  • Blog
  • Forum
  • TOOLKIT
    • ALL TOOLS
    • BUY THE TOOLKIT
  • UNIVERSITY
    • ALL COURSES
    • JOIN THE UNIVERSITY
  • PE Exam
    • PE Forum & Errata
    • PE Store
    • PE Tools
    • PE PREP SERIES
    • PE 100-Day Marathon
  • LOGIN
    • TOOLKIT-ONLY LOGIN
    • UNIVERSITY LOGIN
  • PRICING
    • SOFTWARE & TRAINING
    • STORE
  • OUR CAUSE
    • ABOUT MEYERFIRE
    • JOB OPENINGS
    • BECOME AN INSTRUCTOR
    • HELP/SUPPORT