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Why Isn't All Sprinkler Design Done Upfront?

1/10/2024

 
The majority of bid documents for fire sprinkler work is some form of delegated design. A consulting engineer frequently does not provide all of the detail about a system (pipe locations, size, hanging methods, hydraulic calculations, etc).

Why is that?

In other disciplines, the opposite is common. Mechanical Engineers regularly selects a system type and lays out ductwork in a one-line or two-line configuration on a plan before a contractor bids the system. Electrical Engineers commonly size up, calculate and provide power and lighting locations on plan with an overall one-line diagram. Even plumbing often has plans for domestic water feeds and sanitary waste.

Why doesn’t that happen for fire protection?

First, the biggest disclaimer today, I’m not advocating for all design to be upfront. Or even a majority of it.

I do see many applications where a quality FPE consultant can provide a tremendous amount of value to a project. I explored this a bit with The Delegated Design Problem and in A Practical Design Spec Checklist. 

But I would like to start the conversation and get your ideas on why we are where we are today with why designs are not done upfront.

Here is why I think all sprinkler design is not completed upfront, before bid time.
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#1 WE DON’T WANT EVERYTHING UPFRONT
Overwhelmingly, the sentiment I hear from sprinkler contractors about ‘full-design’ fire sprinkler drawings is that they wouldn’t want upfront designs for all projects.

Why?

Because in some (or many) cases, sprinkler contractors feel that upfront design either limits their flexibility or is of very poor quality, or both.

A design that doesn’t coordinate with other systems, or ‘leaves coordination’ for the sprinkler contractor, is problematic. It’s difficult to bid and difficult to work with after a project has been awarded.

How much needs to be ‘coordinated later’? How ‘real’ is the design? Is it less efficient than the contractor could have laid it out?

Many who have designed on the contracting side feel that real-world “fit” and doing the sprinkler layout are one in the same. You can’t ‘rough-in’ a layout without thinking about conflicts and making it actually work in the real world.

As an extreme example, I think most could agree that a basic NFPA 13D layout does not need upfront involvement by a consultant. Could they help? Perhaps. Could they provide value? Perhaps. But it does not need a high level of involvement.
 
Now there’s a big counterpoint to this. Just because we don’t want upfront design on all projects doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be beneficial on some projects.

Projects that have very specific needs, unique needs, high-visibility challenges, coordination challenges, or that require a specialized set of expertise could very much benefit from upfront involvement.

Maybe it’s a retrofit in a high profile historic museum. Maybe it’s suppression for an automated storage retrieval system. Maybe it’s a unique storage configuration that is outside the bounds of NFPA 13.

In these types of situations, involvement from a quality FPE consultant can address code concerns and clearly define the scope. It can help mitigate a lot of risk for contractors by doing so and help everyone bid apples-to-apples instead of a wide-open, ill-defined scope.
 
#2 INADEQUATE WORKFORCE (INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES)
Perhaps the alternative reason is the lack of expertise in the workforce.

We simply don’t have enough people, nor expertise, to take on every project.

Even if we wanted upfront involvement to a high-level of detail, we as an industry couldn’t pull it off. We don’t have enough bodies, nor enough qualified expertise.

Is it an issue? Absolutely.

Does the lack of people affect how well we advocate for fire protection itself? Absolutely.

Could the construction experience for architects and owners and contractors actually benefit from more and better individuals working upfront on project? Absolutely.

But until we catch up on the quantity of our own workforce, we simply can’t take on more involved work.
 
#3 LOCATION OF THE EXPERTISE
Another reason we don’t perform highly-detailed layout work upfront is the location of where expertise for layout technicians often falls – and that’s in contracting.

Anecdotally I know far more layout technicians in contracting than I do in consulting.

In our survey of nearly 500 industry professionals in 2022, of those who had roles as a designer or layout technician, 68% of them worked for contractors (another 4% were self-employed).

That’s different than other disciplines where there is plenty of design and layout expertise embedded in consulting.
 
#4 DOWNSIDES: COST, INFLEXIBILITY, & SCHEDULE
Involving expertise upfront isn’t free. There’s a cost associated with it.

We mentioned it before and stipulating a full layout upfront also set some parameters in place that can limit the creativity and efficiency of a contractor-provided layout.

Lastly, there’s time needed to do that work upfront. Having a high-degree of involvement may not be a positive impact to overall project schedule.
 
SO CAN WE KILL-OFF UPFRONT INVOLVEMENT?
It sure feels like I’ve put out a hit piece on any upfront involvement in fire sprinkler design.

The question is – does all design need to be done upfront? By an engineer or consultant, or someone other than a contractor?

That answer is no. All design doesn’t need to be upfront. We couldn’t pull it off anyways, but it could also be costly and obstructive for many small or simple project applications.

Is there value to having upfront involvement?

Absolutely - when it’s done well.

Consultants provide tremendous value, all-around, when:
  1. They’re able to define a clear scope
  2. They find the ‘big red flags’ and address them before they delay projects or cause change orders
  3. They provide clean, organized, concise, and easy-to-read documents
  4. They coordinate and pre-plan architectural and civil needs
  5. They provide helpful direction for contrators via timely RFI responses
  6. They spend the time to educate and answer questions for the building owner and architect
  7. They provide a check on code and standard compliance
  8. They alleviate contractors from having to “do consulting work for free”

Do consultants need to be doing fully-detailed layouts to accomplish this?

Often no, though sometimes it could help.
 
HOW DO WE RESHAPE THE WORK?
In an SFPE Magazine Article in 2022, Thomas Gardner wrote “There is a happy medium between no delegation and full delegation of the fire protection system.”

Count me in that camp.

Many times when the subject of “Delegated Design” gets brought up, we instantly jump to extremes. Either all design should be by the EOR, or no design should ever be by the EOR.

On one hand we have many military projects that specify the Qualified Fire Protection Engineer (QFPE) to be in direct charge of the layout upfront, if they don’t perform it themselves.

On the other hand, we have an ever-growing amount of residential projects in North America that have no FPE or consulting involvement whatsoever.  

Both of these situations are not necessarily at odds.

We can strike the balance between the two, and we can do “Delegated Design” better than what’s being done today.

We can improve the quality of upfront documentation that defines scope and goes out for bid, and at the same time, still provide flexibility for the contractor and an overall lean project delivery.

Part of solving that puzzle is looking realistically about what different approaches mean – how they look – seeing good and bad examples – and moving forward to introduce, educate and advocate on what better “Delegated Design” means in the future.

​For literally the past two decades there has been growing momentum to bring light to the issue. We’re not far from having more resources to define what “better” looks like and how we can easily get there. 

WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?
We had a great dialogue about the problem of Delegated Design before, that's here.

But what's your take on why work isn't provided upfront?

Is it just tradition? Just the way things always have been? 

Is it any of the reasons I've cited?

Why is our delivery method so different from Mechanical, Electrical, Plumbing or Structural? What separates us from other disciplines?

Comment below - would be happy to hear your take.
Chris Miller
1/10/2024 11:47:53 am

And another point.....Fees/Bids. Delegated Design is in the construction budget not the design scope. It certainly can be done in design but fees and construction bids need to change. And if we with both do some design the owner may feel like they are paying twice for the design.

I support some sprinkler design being done during design phase be knowledgeable people (mechanical engineers, FPE, plumbing designers) to avoid more coordination problems during construction. Design team needs to take a more proactive position.

Blaine Parkerson
1/10/2024 12:26:23 pm

With BIM I’m seeing a push for more design and coordination. The issue is you’re paying the engineer much more than the trades to do pipe runs. Besides, I’m no master plumber or sprinkler fitter, so it takes me longer and I don’t know all the ins and outs of piping installation.

Marc Bielicki
1/10/2024 12:41:10 pm

I’m 50/50 on this. For projects when BIM is required, I wish the engineers did a design upfront like the other trades. We’re always going into BIM with no model and have to rush to play catch up - and no one seems to understand that we did not have a model to start with. Another item with full design is that everyone will be bidding the same thing. Just recently I lost a project because I designed my bid for a warehouse for future, where my competition that won it designed and bid it for now. Meaning if they want to store plastics on racks, the system now will not work and will need to be changed out. I don’t know why they went with this other than low bid. Also, I’m seeing a lot more design needing to be reviewed and sealed by a FPE, but what part do they have if they are not designing it? I’m like the freedom of design, but would be nice to have engineers do what they are supposed to and do for other trades.

Brian K Fain
1/10/2024 12:56:35 pm

In some states, a contractor is not legally allowed to establish design criteria unless you have a P.E. on board. Piping configuration, etc., yes. Not that we don't do it, but we aren't supposed too.

Brian Cockburn
1/10/2024 01:16:42 pm

To me, detailed design upfront is ideal for many projects - when done well (as mentioned). A well coordinated mechanical package (plumbing, HVAC, and fire) brings a lot of value to a project.

A poorly coordinated design will just have to be fixed afterward and then people will rightly wonder what the point was.

So do it well.

Darren
1/10/2024 02:19:50 pm

My experience seems to be different from most here. When I see upfront design by a consulting engineer it is partial and diagrammatic, at best. Often, we do not even get a current flow test. What I see most on large projects is an extensive set of antiquated, canned specifications trying to cover everything under the sun. My feeling is that fire protection is often a speciality that consulting engineering firms do not have real world expertise in and their involvement can complicate a good design and add cost for the owner (please pardon my candor).

But I also think it is a largely a matter of $. Ownership does not want to pay a contractor over the design development timeline, which can be quite lengthy, along with the architect and consulting engineers. These are often hard costs before the project is financed. I am consistently asked to carry costs for months during design development with the knowledge we will be taken into construction and the guarantee (in writing) that our design fees will be covered should the project not be built.

Given my experience, I prefer consultants stay out of the fire sprinkler side (no offense intended to anyone reading). I truly believe that fire sprinkler contractors (NICET certified designers and contractor FPE's) are the most qualified to provide quality, cost effective design with the latest industry standards. We are in it everyday, know the nuances of the local authorities, are well versed in the latest products and applications, and are conscious of providing the best product for the cost.

sean
1/10/2024 08:46:04 pm

Delegated Design is flawed. It allows for too much power to the contractor that has different motivation.

Sprinkler contractors/designers typically do not have enough knowledge or experience with with architectural design decisions that affect the sprinkler design.

I don't agree that that we need to maintain flexibility for the contractor. The perfect example would be mechanical design and contractors while they may disagree the system can be installed based on the engineers design.

I also don't think we need an FPE on every job but why is fire protection (fire sprinkler and fire alarm) so poorly handled by the design team.

Have we not seen a fire alarm system oversold because it was in the contractors best interest to sell more devices?

How often does a engineer spec out something completely wrong and the contractor gets a huge change order. I don't hear that the design team end up carrying that loss.

We need better scoping and code analysis no matter the source.

Casey Milhorn
1/17/2024 01:51:10 pm

I respectfully disagree with a couple posts here. I LOVE the blog subject and Joe did a GREAT job outlining the difficulties in our industry. I have a lot of experience on the contracting side, as well as the engineering/design team side, and everyone in between with design build type projects.

Soooo, we could throw a lot of mud here onto sprinkler contractors, engineers, and with plenty left over for building owners, developers, architects, general contractors, etc....

From my experience, most everyone on this list is just trying to do their job to the best of their ability and still turn a profit. Rarely have I found incompetence or neglect to be on purpose, or someone trying to scam the system.

What is the right way? I could probably write a book on the all the correct ways this could happen, but at the end of the day it comes down to the project, the AHJ requirements, and the capabilities of all the parties involved. Do I want an engineer that has zero fire protection knowledge drawing design intent and writing specs? No. Do I want a fire sprinkler contractor that normally only does 13D houses trying to do a design build for a multi-zone high rise building? Absolutely not.

Anyway, great blog post, great discussion, and great topic. Fun to discuss it.

James Art, FPE
4/3/2024 03:08:47 pm

A Few Benefits of Avoiding Deferred Fire Sprinkler Design
By James Art, FPE.

For a job big enough, there are several important reasons to avoid having the contractor do the design at the last minute! Here are some:

Design Parameters:
A contractor has a financial incentive to install a system as cheap as possible, to be the successful low bidder. So, they may propose a “barely” system.
But Owners and Architects might not understand what they are getting.
One example is a strip mall to be partly occupied now by a Light Hazard tenant, like offices, such as a dentist, or a dance hall, but the next tenant might be mercantile, Ordinary Hazard.
Or a warehouse to be a low height industrial shop now, but might be high piled storage next.

If these decisions are evaluated up front, then all contractors will bid on the same level of protection, and the system will serve the owner better in the long run, and may have a better safety factor. Often the cost of doing a better installation is small, especially compared to the overall cost, or the cost of upgrading later.

Another factor is getting good bids. Eliminating unknowns that might add costs.

The contractor knows there will be other bids,
so, he might not take the time to design or calculate a “prospect” system up front.
He just uses an educated guess for the bid. But he doesn’t want to lose money, so he usually adds some factors for unforeseen conditions that can cost more.
IF there is a good plan he can count the sprinklers, see the pipe size and much more easily prepare a more accurate bid. This might not be lower, but usually is. And you likely may get more bids, or bids from a contractor that is too busy to do an estimate.
And the cost of the Contractor’s design might be included in the bid anyway.

Co-ordination:
IF the design is done at about the same time as other trades are being done, things can be co-ordinated much more effectively, and hopefully problems can be avoided in the design stages!

Avoiding Rush Work:
IF the design is left for later, then many things become a Rush.
Often the Plan Review is a time delay.
Makes it harder to work carefully, include everything, or to make changes.
The sprinkler contractor is accused of holding up the project.

Construction and remodeling is a dangerous time for a building. Cutting and welding,
temporary wiring, boxes and packaging, doors not installed or propped open


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