The majority of bid documents for fire sprinkler work is some form of delegated design. A consulting engineer frequently does not provide all of the detail about a system (pipe locations, size, hanging methods, hydraulic calculations, etc). Why is that? In other disciplines, the opposite is common. Mechanical Engineers regularly selects a system type and lays out ductwork in a one-line or two-line configuration on a plan before a contractor bids the system. Electrical Engineers commonly size up, calculate and provide power and lighting locations on plan with an overall one-line diagram. Even plumbing often has plans for domestic water feeds and sanitary waste. Why doesn’t that happen for fire protection? First, the biggest disclaimer today, I’m not advocating for all design to be upfront. Or even a majority of it. I do see many applications where a quality FPE consultant can provide a tremendous amount of value to a project. I explored this a bit with The Delegated Design Problem and in A Practical Design Spec Checklist. But I would like to start the conversation and get your ideas on why we are where we are today with why designs are not done upfront. Here is why I think all sprinkler design is not completed upfront, before bid time. #1 WE DON’T WANT EVERYTHING UPFRONT
Overwhelmingly, the sentiment I hear from sprinkler contractors about ‘full-design’ fire sprinkler drawings is that they wouldn’t want upfront designs for all projects. Why? Because in some (or many) cases, sprinkler contractors feel that upfront design either limits their flexibility or is of very poor quality, or both. A design that doesn’t coordinate with other systems, or ‘leaves coordination’ for the sprinkler contractor, is problematic. It’s difficult to bid and difficult to work with after a project has been awarded. How much needs to be ‘coordinated later’? How ‘real’ is the design? Is it less efficient than the contractor could have laid it out? Many who have designed on the contracting side feel that real-world “fit” and doing the sprinkler layout are one in the same. You can’t ‘rough-in’ a layout without thinking about conflicts and making it actually work in the real world. As an extreme example, I think most could agree that a basic NFPA 13D layout does not need upfront involvement by a consultant. Could they help? Perhaps. Could they provide value? Perhaps. But it does not need a high level of involvement. Now there’s a big counterpoint to this. Just because we don’t want upfront design on all projects doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be beneficial on some projects. Projects that have very specific needs, unique needs, high-visibility challenges, coordination challenges, or that require a specialized set of expertise could very much benefit from upfront involvement. Maybe it’s a retrofit in a high profile historic museum. Maybe it’s suppression for an automated storage retrieval system. Maybe it’s a unique storage configuration that is outside the bounds of NFPA 13. In these types of situations, involvement from a quality FPE consultant can address code concerns and clearly define the scope. It can help mitigate a lot of risk for contractors by doing so and help everyone bid apples-to-apples instead of a wide-open, ill-defined scope. #2 INADEQUATE WORKFORCE (INDIVIDUALS AND COMPANIES) Perhaps the alternative reason is the lack of expertise in the workforce. We simply don’t have enough people, nor expertise, to take on every project. Even if we wanted upfront involvement to a high-level of detail, we as an industry couldn’t pull it off. We don’t have enough bodies, nor enough qualified expertise. Is it an issue? Absolutely. Does the lack of people affect how well we advocate for fire protection itself? Absolutely. Could the construction experience for architects and owners and contractors actually benefit from more and better individuals working upfront on project? Absolutely. But until we catch up on the quantity of our own workforce, we simply can’t take on more involved work. #3 LOCATION OF THE EXPERTISE Another reason we don’t perform highly-detailed layout work upfront is the location of where expertise for layout technicians often falls – and that’s in contracting. Anecdotally I know far more layout technicians in contracting than I do in consulting. In our survey of nearly 500 industry professionals in 2022, of those who had roles as a designer or layout technician, 68% of them worked for contractors (another 4% were self-employed). That’s different than other disciplines where there is plenty of design and layout expertise embedded in consulting. #4 DOWNSIDES: COST, INFLEXIBILITY, & SCHEDULE Involving expertise upfront isn’t free. There’s a cost associated with it. We mentioned it before and stipulating a full layout upfront also set some parameters in place that can limit the creativity and efficiency of a contractor-provided layout. Lastly, there’s time needed to do that work upfront. Having a high-degree of involvement may not be a positive impact to overall project schedule. SO CAN WE KILL-OFF UPFRONT INVOLVEMENT? It sure feels like I’ve put out a hit piece on any upfront involvement in fire sprinkler design. The question is – does all design need to be done upfront? By an engineer or consultant, or someone other than a contractor? That answer is no. All design doesn’t need to be upfront. We couldn’t pull it off anyways, but it could also be costly and obstructive for many small or simple project applications. Is there value to having upfront involvement? Absolutely - when it’s done well. Consultants provide tremendous value, all-around, when:
Do consultants need to be doing fully-detailed layouts to accomplish this? Often no, though sometimes it could help. HOW DO WE RESHAPE THE WORK? In an SFPE Magazine Article in 2022, Thomas Gardner wrote “There is a happy medium between no delegation and full delegation of the fire protection system.” Count me in that camp. Many times when the subject of “Delegated Design” gets brought up, we instantly jump to extremes. Either all design should be by the EOR, or no design should ever be by the EOR. On one hand we have many military projects that specify the Qualified Fire Protection Engineer (QFPE) to be in direct charge of the layout upfront, if they don’t perform it themselves. On the other hand, we have an ever-growing amount of residential projects in North America that have no FPE or consulting involvement whatsoever. Both of these situations are not necessarily at odds. We can strike the balance between the two, and we can do “Delegated Design” better than what’s being done today. We can improve the quality of upfront documentation that defines scope and goes out for bid, and at the same time, still provide flexibility for the contractor and an overall lean project delivery. Part of solving that puzzle is looking realistically about what different approaches mean – how they look – seeing good and bad examples – and moving forward to introduce, educate and advocate on what better “Delegated Design” means in the future. For literally the past two decades there has been growing momentum to bring light to the issue. We’re not far from having more resources to define what “better” looks like and how we can easily get there. WHAT'S YOUR TAKE? We had a great dialogue about the problem of Delegated Design before, that's here. But what's your take on why work isn't provided upfront? Is it just tradition? Just the way things always have been? Is it any of the reasons I've cited? Why is our delivery method so different from Mechanical, Electrical, Plumbing or Structural? What separates us from other disciplines? Comment below - would be happy to hear your take.
Chris Miller
1/10/2024 11:47:53 am
And another point.....Fees/Bids. Delegated Design is in the construction budget not the design scope. It certainly can be done in design but fees and construction bids need to change. And if we with both do some design the owner may feel like they are paying twice for the design.
Blaine Parkerson
1/10/2024 12:26:23 pm
With BIM I’m seeing a push for more design and coordination. The issue is you’re paying the engineer much more than the trades to do pipe runs. Besides, I’m no master plumber or sprinkler fitter, so it takes me longer and I don’t know all the ins and outs of piping installation.
Marc Bielicki
1/10/2024 12:41:10 pm
I’m 50/50 on this. For projects when BIM is required, I wish the engineers did a design upfront like the other trades. We’re always going into BIM with no model and have to rush to play catch up - and no one seems to understand that we did not have a model to start with. Another item with full design is that everyone will be bidding the same thing. Just recently I lost a project because I designed my bid for a warehouse for future, where my competition that won it designed and bid it for now. Meaning if they want to store plastics on racks, the system now will not work and will need to be changed out. I don’t know why they went with this other than low bid. Also, I’m seeing a lot more design needing to be reviewed and sealed by a FPE, but what part do they have if they are not designing it? I’m like the freedom of design, but would be nice to have engineers do what they are supposed to and do for other trades.
Brian K Fain
1/10/2024 12:56:35 pm
In some states, a contractor is not legally allowed to establish design criteria unless you have a P.E. on board. Piping configuration, etc., yes. Not that we don't do it, but we aren't supposed too.
Brian Cockburn
1/10/2024 01:16:42 pm
To me, detailed design upfront is ideal for many projects - when done well (as mentioned). A well coordinated mechanical package (plumbing, HVAC, and fire) brings a lot of value to a project.
Darren
1/10/2024 02:19:50 pm
My experience seems to be different from most here. When I see upfront design by a consulting engineer it is partial and diagrammatic, at best. Often, we do not even get a current flow test. What I see most on large projects is an extensive set of antiquated, canned specifications trying to cover everything under the sun. My feeling is that fire protection is often a speciality that consulting engineering firms do not have real world expertise in and their involvement can complicate a good design and add cost for the owner (please pardon my candor).
sean
1/10/2024 08:46:04 pm
Delegated Design is flawed. It allows for too much power to the contractor that has different motivation.
Casey Milhorn
1/17/2024 01:51:10 pm
I respectfully disagree with a couple posts here. I LOVE the blog subject and Joe did a GREAT job outlining the difficulties in our industry. I have a lot of experience on the contracting side, as well as the engineering/design team side, and everyone in between with design build type projects.
James Art, FPE
4/3/2024 03:08:47 pm
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