MeyerFire
  • Blog
  • Forum
  • TOOLKIT
    • ALL TOOLS
    • BUY THE TOOLKIT
  • UNIVERSITY
    • ALL COURSES
    • JOIN THE UNIVERSITY
  • PE Exam
    • PE Forum & Errata
    • PE Store
    • PE Tools
    • PE PREP SERIES
    • PE 100-Day Marathon
  • LOGIN
    • TOOLKIT-ONLY LOGIN
    • UNIVERSITY LOGIN
  • PRICING
    • SOFTWARE & TRAINING
    • STORE
  • OUR CAUSE
    • ABOUT MEYERFIRE
    • JOB OPENINGS
    • BECOME AN INSTRUCTOR
    • HELP/SUPPORT
Picture

Which Coverage Area to Use to Flow Sprinklers?

12/30/2024

5 Comments

 
I have a project with deep concrete beams which are 24 inches deep, 4 inches wide, and located 6'-6" center to center.

Building is at least 20 years old. The original contractor, I think, treated the first beam like a wall and put a row of sprinklers on each side of it. The deflectors are 12 inches down. I'm assuming they then “skipped “ the next beam. At the third beam he put another double row. And then repeated the pattern.

There are 4-inch deep lights in the center of each bay. They are sticking a layer of sheet rock on all sides and the ceiling.

The sprinklers are 15 feet apart. It looks like the they are just protecting the bay on each side of the skipped beam with no sprinkler lines. The middle beam obstructs the coverage. This is a light hazard area with 9-ft ceiling height to top plat panel.

Should the sprinklers be calculated flowing 6'-6" x 15'-0", or, flowing 13'-0" x 15'-0"?

I believe a case could be made for both.

It’s an all purpose room in a school basement. I could offer them OH 1 at 6'-6" x 15'-0" without changing spacing on the branches. I could only achieve Light Hazard if 13'-0" x 15'-0" is utilized. The architect shows minor changes for small closets, a few walls, and we're changing the sprinklers to quick response.

Thank You very much.


Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
5 Comments
Dan Wilder
12/30/2024 07:06:54 am

So, there are a couple items here to unpack.

14'-2" x 15' is the correct discharge spacing for the sprinklers in the 2nd and continued row spacing except the first row, which can be discharged at the lesser spacing for the actual distance between the sprinkler or 2x the distance to the wall (assuming the first pocket is 6'-6" wide this dimension could be as much as 8'-3½" if the sprinkler is 4" off the wall).

The 14'-2" assumes the sprinklers are 3'-8" from the centerline of the beam (at 12" to the bottom of the beam the sprinkler needs to be 3'-6" from the edge of the 4" wide beam adding the additional 2" for the width to center), then the 6'-6" for the unsprinklered bay, then another 3'-8" to the next sprinkler.

While the description calls out for "beams", these sound very much like concrete tees which changes the allowance of sprinkler location from 22" below deck max to unlimited with the deflector 1" below bottom of stem (changes for the 2025 edition but I doubt it's been adopted yet)

The addition of the sheet rock will change the deflector distance to the bottom of the beam that will create the need to protect the unsprinklered pockets due to not meeting the required horizontal distance to spray beneath. Also, the horizontal distance is now too close to spray beneath. Both of these will require a change to the sprinkler location.

Reply
Dan Wilder
12/30/2024 08:23:10 am

13'-10" x 15'

Correction...got a little beam width addition happy....

Reply
Dave L.
12/30/2024 04:31:50 pm

Note that the 2025 edition of NFPA #13 added a restriction of 30 inches maximum depth of the concrete tees when the tees are spaced less than 7.5 feet o.c. and deflectors are at or above 1" below the bottoms of tees. [ 10.2.7.1.2(5) ]

Reply
Dave L.
12/30/2024 04:36:30 pm

(^^ Sorry Dan, I didn't see you already said that about the 2025 ed.^^)

Dave L.
12/30/2024 04:35:02 pm

I'm sorry, when you say "skipped beam" you mean a skipped beam pocket? So only only every other pocket has a row of sprinklers?

Reply



Leave a Reply.

    SUBMIT A QUESTION
    Picture
    Why Sponsor?

    ALL-ACCESS

    Picture
    GET ALL OUR TOOLS

    SUBSCRIBE

    Subscribe and learn something new each day:
    I'm Interested In:

    COMMUNITY

    Top May '25 Contributors
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    Picture
    SEE LEADERBOARD

    YOUR POST

    SUBMIT A QUESTION

    PE EXAM

    Get 100 Days of Free Sample Questions right to you!
    SIGN ME UP!

    FILTERS

    All
    A1171
    ABA
    ADA
    ASCE 7
    ASME A17.1
    ASTM E1354
    Blog Thread
    Daily Discussion
    Design-documents
    EN 12845
    Explosion Protection
    Explosion-protection-prevention
    Fire Detection And Alarm Systems
    Fire Dynamics
    Flammable And Combustible Liquids
    Flammable-combustible-liquids
    FM Global
    Human-behavior
    IBC
    ICC 500
    IEBC
    IFC
    IMC
    IPC
    IRC
    ISO
    Means Of Egress
    NBC
    NFPA 1
    NFPA 10
    NFPA 101
    NFPA 11
    NFPA 110
    NFPA 1142
    NFPA 1221
    NFPA 13
    NFPA 13D
    NFPA 13R
    NFPA 14
    NFPA 15
    NFPA 16
    NFPA 17A
    NFPA 20
    NFPA 2001
    NFPA 214
    NFPA 22
    NFPA 220
    NFPA 24
    NFPA 241
    NFPA 25
    NFPA 291
    NFPA 30
    NFPA 307
    NFPA 30B
    NFPA 31
    NFPA 33
    NFPA 37
    NFPA 400
    NFPA 409
    NFPA 415
    NFPA 45
    NFPA 495
    NFPA 497
    NFPA 5000
    NFPA 502
    NFPA 54
    NFPA 55
    NFPA 654
    NFPA 68
    NFPA 70
    NFPA 701
    NFPA 72
    NFPA 75
    NFPA 770
    NFPA 82
    NFPA 855
    NFPA 90A
    NFPA 92
    NFPA 96
    NICET
    OBC
    OSHA
    Passive Building Systems
    PE Prep Guide
    PE Prep Series
    PE Sample Problems
    Poll
    Smoke Management
    Special Hazard Systems
    UFC 3-600-01
    UFC 4-021-01
    UFC 4-211-01
    UPC
    Updates
    Water Based Fire Suppression
    Weekly Exams


    ARCHIVES

    June 2025
    May 2025
    April 2025
    March 2025
    February 2025
    January 2025
    December 2024
    November 2024
    October 2024
    September 2024
    August 2024
    July 2024
    June 2024
    May 2024
    April 2024
    March 2024
    February 2024
    January 2024
    December 2023
    November 2023
    October 2023
    September 2023
    August 2023
    July 2023
    June 2023
    May 2023
    April 2023
    March 2023
    February 2023
    January 2023
    December 2022
    November 2022
    October 2022
    September 2022
    August 2022
    July 2022
    June 2022
    May 2022
    April 2022
    March 2022
    February 2022
    January 2022
    December 2021
    November 2021
    October 2021
    September 2021
    August 2021
    July 2021
    June 2021
    May 2021
    April 2021
    March 2021
    February 2021
    January 2021
    December 2020
    November 2020
    October 2020
    September 2020
    August 2020
    July 2020
    June 2020
    May 2020
    April 2020
    March 2020
    February 2020
    January 2020
    December 2019
    November 2019
    October 2019
    September 2019
    August 2019
    July 2019
    June 2019
    May 2019
    April 2019
    March 2019
    February 2019
    January 2019
    December 2018
    November 2018
    October 2018
    September 2018
    August 2018
    July 2018
    June 2018
    May 2018
    November 2017
    October 2017
    September 2017
    August 2017
    July 2017
    June 2017
    November 2016
    October 2016
    July 2016
    June 2016


    PE PREP SERIES

    SEE LEADERBOARD

    RSS Feed

Picture
​Home
Our Cause
The Blog
The Forum
PE Exam Prep
The Toolkit

MeyerFire University
​Pricing
Login
​Support
Contact Us
Picture

MeyerFire.com is a startup community built to help fire protection professionals shine.
Our goal is to improve fire protection practices worldwide. We promote the industry by creating helpful tools and resources, and by bringing together industry professionals to share their expertise.

​MeyerFire, LLC is a NICET Recognized Training Provider and International Code Council Preferred Education Provider.

All text, images, and media ​Copyright © 2016-2025 MeyerFire, LLC

We respect your privacy and personal data. See our Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. 
The views, opinions, and information found on this site represent solely the author and do not represent the opinions of any other party, nor does the presented material assume responsibility for its use. Fire protection and life safety systems constitute a critical component for public health and safety and you should consult with a licensed professional for proper design and code adherence.

Discussions are solely for the purpose of peer review and the exchange of ideas. All comments are reviewed. Comments which do not contribute, are not relevant, are spam, or are disrespectful in nature may be removed. Information presented and opinions expressed should not be relied upon as a replacement for consulting services. Some (not all) outbound links on this website, such as Amazon links, are affiliate-based where we receive a small commission for orders placed elsewhere.

  • Blog
  • Forum
  • TOOLKIT
    • ALL TOOLS
    • BUY THE TOOLKIT
  • UNIVERSITY
    • ALL COURSES
    • JOIN THE UNIVERSITY
  • PE Exam
    • PE Forum & Errata
    • PE Store
    • PE Tools
    • PE PREP SERIES
    • PE 100-Day Marathon
  • LOGIN
    • TOOLKIT-ONLY LOGIN
    • UNIVERSITY LOGIN
  • PRICING
    • SOFTWARE & TRAINING
    • STORE
  • OUR CAUSE
    • ABOUT MEYERFIRE
    • JOB OPENINGS
    • BECOME AN INSTRUCTOR
    • HELP/SUPPORT