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I am working on a new building in a rural area that will require sprinkler protection. There is no access to a public water supply, only a 30-100 gpm well on site.
Options for fire suppression water include pumping from a large farm pond 150 feet away or installing a 15,000-gallon water storage tank with a pump. Any thoughts on which option is more feasible and cost-effective, or any alternatives we're not considering? This is in a freezing climate. Thank you in advance! Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Pete H
5/6/2026 06:28:02 am
Cost Effective - The pond. You don't have to build a water storage tank and a pump.
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Anthony
5/6/2026 07:48:00 am
If the pond is reliably full then there is no issue. You may need a piece of paper stating that from a civil or environmental engineer. This is an easy option, comes with a few extra issues with raw water NFAP 13 and 20. There are non trivial issues with putting in a wet well and structure to house a pump at the pond. Or ensuring the suction pipe is buried sufficiently to always be full without draining the pond and flooding the immediate area.
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Ryan Grant
5/6/2026 08:21:55 am
I would do a pond with a dry hydrant for fire apparatus pumping. As for the sprinkler system, you almost have to do an elevated tank with a fire pump. Fire pumps aren't meant to pull or maintain a draft for immediate water.
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Matt C.
5/6/2026 08:32:49 am
The most reliable option (especially long-term) in my opinion is an underground tank. These can be quite expensive however. I'm in Ontario, Canada and larger pre-cast concrete tanks can run over 100k, less for the size OP needs though. Large poly tanks are up there as well. the advantage is that if done right, wont freeze, or have the issues raw water sources do.
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Matt C.
5/6/2026 10:52:04 am
Sorry I missed the fact that this building is sprinklered.
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Jesse
5/6/2026 08:51:50 am
I always question the reliability of existing ponds. i.e. depth, continuity of volume, etc. I have one project currently with a pond but its being built specifically for fire. And the pond option limits your pump choices to just one. In the long run, a tank is more reliable.
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Mark Harris
5/6/2026 09:20:29 am
If you do the pond has to be vertical pump. NFPA 20 requires flooded suction on a horizontal pump. If you go that route this hydraulic institute manual gives guidance on the pump intake well construction. https://www.pumps.org/product/engineering-data-book-second-edition/
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Glenn Berger
5/6/2026 09:26:35 am
I would go with the one option that you get to control:
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Dan Wilder
5/6/2026 10:56:51 am
How much of the pond capacity becomes unusable during the freeze conditions? Is the pond continuously fed via natural sources or by more manual efforts like a well and pump? Are there seismic consideration for a tank?
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Ro
5/6/2026 11:31:37 am
There are a few other considerations not mentioned to aid in this resolve. I am assuming since indicated there is currently only a domestic well incapable of meeting the sprinkler demand. This tells me the requirement for site fire flow is also not met. The elevation from what would be the pump suction inlet to the expected low point elevation of the pond after the flow demand is met will also determine if a standard fire pump can be utilized as they normally have a limited amount of "lift" capability. If the project will end up requiring a vertical turbine pump, I would believe the cost for such a small demand would highly exceed installing a small water tank. Based on the tank size of 15k gallons it would also appear no consideration for the required hose stream was included. Is the AHJ willing to make accommodations for the hose demand if a permanent draft line can be installed from the pond? Will the AHJ allow for omision of any required fire hydrants or requirement for minimum site fire flow? Can you meet the required distances for an fdc location?
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James Art, FPE
5/6/2026 02:37:38 pm
Did one similar a warehouse in Northern Ca,
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Nimal Tissa Wijetunga
5/6/2026 08:49:18 pm
Fire engineering is all about reliability to a level where no any other engineering discipline consider.
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6/9/2026 12:43:41 pm
I had similar situation. A rural dining hall at a Camp. Our choices were... 1) install a water tower like a ruraql school; build a coffer dam in a nearby lake; (proved infeasible) 3) purchase and install a pressure tank w/ generator and pump. Choice 4) was run a six inch buried line from closest municipal source some six miles away.
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