I have an existing office building and we are renovating one floor. The building has an existing sprinkler system.
In the middle of the office floor, there is an outdoor patio (I believe all non-combustible) and it is open to the air above. It is 6' x 6' and surrounded by glass on all 4 sides. There are currently no sprinklers protecting this courtyard and we are being told that there needs to be. I am not sure which part of NFPA 13 I would even look at since Section 8.15 only discusses exterior projections and the like. Nothing about an open-air courtyard. I would appreciate any help. There is room to install dry sidewalls above the glass even though the sprinklers would be watering the outside. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Dan Wilder
1/27/2022 07:05:09 am
No structure overhead to provide heat collection=no sprinklers.
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Anthony
1/27/2022 07:17:50 am
As Dan said, no roof/ceiling no sprinkler.
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Mike L
1/27/2022 07:42:59 am
Perhaps the AHJ is requesting protection for both sides of the glass around the courtyard, or misinterpreting the drawings as a skylight.
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Pete H
1/27/2022 07:44:23 am
Agree with the comments. No NFPA 13 guidance.
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Glenn Berger
1/27/2022 08:18:02 am
The requirement to provide some sort of fire protection system comes from NFPA 101, with the fact that anyone in the courtyard must (re-)enter the building to get to an egress point.
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Jay
1/27/2022 06:27:41 pm
Hi Glenn,
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Jesse
1/27/2022 08:23:46 am
The problem is, without canopies / overhangs, there is noting to collect the heat to activate the sprinkler. So if you protected the courtyard with dry horizontal sidewall sprinklers along the perimeter, there's no mechanism to allow them to operate.
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SCHULMAN
1/27/2022 08:58:07 am
you should get clarification - what I hear is that sprinklers are required on the inside of the glass (deluge style) to protect the interior from a fire that will start when someone outside smoking starts one .... check for "atrium" references in the code and ask the architect if the wall between the "atrium" and the interior is required to be rated.
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Patrick D
1/27/2022 08:59:08 am
I agree with all the comments above.
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Todd Wyatt
1/27/2022 09:06:07 am
The scoping Code would either be the IBC and/or the NFPA 101 Life Safety Code, depending on what the jurisdiction has adopted. The adopted Code references other Codes and Standards, including NFPA 13, but only to the "extent to the reference to the standard." IBC 903.3.1.1 states "Where provisions of this code require that a building or portion thereof be equipped with an automatic sprinkler system in accordance with this section, sprinklers shall be installed throughout in accordance with NFPA 13 ..." The IBC determines WHERE sprinklers are requuired (903.2 Where Required) and NFPA 13 identifies HOW sprinklers are to be installed, tested, and maintained. Exempted spaces in NFPA 13 are not applicable unless the IBC (or NFPA 101) includes these exempted spaces.
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Jon Sullivan
1/28/2022 08:31:18 am
I think there is a worthwhile discussion to be had here.
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Jack G
1/27/2022 09:32:47 am
Agree. Protection of windows, structure, path along egress. Have had to do that in a lot of buildings with egress thru a courtyard.
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David Branson
1/27/2022 09:33:17 am
As a life-safety measure driven by NFPA 101, not 13, one could provide a dry sidewall head near the entrance and a weatherproof manual pull station nearby to activate it.
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Wes
1/27/2022 09:37:53 am
How?
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Anthony
1/27/2022 12:17:37 pm
A one head deluge system, that'll be cheep.
Alex
1/27/2022 09:56:52 pm
Your answer wont come from NFPA 13, as stated above. You need to look into the IBC and NFPA 101. Although, here, you wont find a definite answer. If you ask me, the open courtyard does not require protection. Depending on the size, it would require two means of egress but you are well below that.
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Jerry
1/28/2022 09:48:19 am
First question out of my mouth would be, "Please show me the code or standard that states that".
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