We have a project in an old building (historic city) that has 3/4-inch branch pipe in their sprinkler system. We've recommended, based on good practice, to change these out for minimum 1-inch due to the potential of obstructions, and that NFPA 13 has not recognized 3/4-inch branch pipe for over 50 years now.
The client is pushing back asking for a reference stating that 3/4-inch lines need to be replaced. I cannot find anything in NFPA standards which would "require" it. Do you have any helpful references on this that would help educate the client here? Thanks in advance. Sent in anonymously for discussion. Click Title to View | Submit Your Question | Subscribe
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Pete H
4/25/2022 06:54:29 am
Nothing too concrete off the top of my head. You could claim that there's no listed steel fire sprinkler pipe currently less than 1" in diameter, and pursuant to NFPA 13 Chapter 6 (2016 edition and prior) the pipe has to be listed for fire protection, but I haven't double checked that there isn't any 3/4" pipe that's listed for fire protection, so maybe they could catch you with your pants down there.
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Alex
4/25/2022 07:01:53 am
Hi,
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I'm with Alex here. I'm guessing this is an old pipe schedule system. If you're not modifying the lines, you could make the case for the 3/4" pipe to remain. But, if you're modifying it, it needs to be changed.
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Matt C
4/25/2022 08:20:02 am
If you're going to hydraulically calculate the system at all, you can use 23.4.1.2. (in the 2013 ed.) which states ferrous piping shall be no less than 1".
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Anthony C. Brown
4/25/2022 08:25:08 am
check with the AHJ. Some have code that will allow the last section of an existing system to remain 3/4" with the balance being replaced. Some AHJ will defer to their State Building Code on percentage of work being done for system replacement, i.e. If 50% (or some other benchmark amount) of a system is being replaced, then the entire system must be brought up to current code. Just be careful because I have seen several Municipalities use the base amount of the actual cost of construction, not the current cost of construction.
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Craig Montoya
4/25/2022 08:53:36 am
I would have a conversation about the risks of doing a hydrostatic test at 200 PSI on the existing branch lines, and if that failed I would talk to the AHJ privately and tell them your concerns.
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Joe Chadwick
4/25/2022 08:57:03 am
If this is part of a larger renovation, and the work is regulated by the Existing Building Code (IEBC), sprinklers may be required to comply with current code.
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David Kendrick
4/25/2022 09:38:57 am
Ask for the system internal inspection documentation. The smaller size pipe works until its filled with rust, corrosion or other debris.
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4/25/2022 09:40:36 am
The first question I have is what is your scope of work for this project? Are you doing a TI, an addition, etc?
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John
4/25/2022 09:55:10 am
It appears that at the time of the original installation, three-quarter inch pipe was acceptable. Even though the current codes do not allow for this, the system in essence is grandfathered in. The owner isn’t obligated to upgrade the pipe sizes unless there is a serious physical reason to do so.
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Dan Wilder
4/25/2022 11:08:50 am
Need some more info as to your scope and your scope language. If your scope includes changing the 3/4" lines to 1" due to hydraulic needs, then anything within your scope would need to be changed out (based on hydraulics proving the other pipe sizes all work). It would then fall onto a letter of recommendation that the areas outside your scope be changed (again, with a proof hydraulic calculation showing the pipe sizing all works to the end of the system),
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Robert Hughes
4/25/2022 12:16:31 pm
Have the owner sign something stating they are dis-regarding your company's recommended standards and industry practice.
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Eric Rieve
4/27/2022 12:12:42 pm
If the system was designed per pipe schedule, does the sprinkler riser have a backflow preventer that was retrofitted into the original riser arrangement? If so, how old is the backflow, and is there a hydraulic plate to show that the system was recalculated when it was installed?
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